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  1. #271
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    Ya, would definitely like for them to be recombined if only out of spite
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  2. #272
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    I don't super feel as if this is an issue.
    This is the same case as every other savage fight being cleared w/o healers atm. It's a group of extremely cracked players, playing out of their gourds, likely with off-meta melds and armour pieces, and strats to even make it possible.

    I don't really think the fights being cleared w/o a healer present is screaming "Healers aren't needed in X content!!!" like I've seen some people equate it to. For like 99.99% of the playerbase, they're still gonna bring a healer anyway and in most cases, yeah the healers actually need to be doing their job.
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  3. #273
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zolvolt View Post
    Didn't yoshi p say that savage was under tuned this time around and apologized for it?
    Wasn't their a fight last expansion that was over tuned and people got upset over it? Wasn't it tge ultimate fight? We really are a community that cannot be pleased short from pure perfection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellsong View Post
    Okay boomer.

  4. #274
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    Turtledeluxe's Avatar
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    Kinda Hungry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zolvolt View Post
    We won't see no-healer runs ne the norm ever again thanks to FFlogs. FFLogs proved in HW it determined what the meta is and ever since they separated normal comp from abnormal comps we stopped seeing the mass amount of no healer runs or 1 healer runs. A few groups do it for fun now but thats all.
    I wouldn't underestimate the incompetence of the dev team, personally between the current job reworks and the state of tanks. As far as how minor healerless runs are or remain, this is kind of like arguing that it's ok when your air container fails because it only happens once in a while. There's still a long term problem with your air conditioner whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

    And the thing is, it isn't just hardcore. Two days in a row I've gotten Tender Valley on Expert and the healer/other DPS died to the Greatest Labyrinth. The boss has too much health at that point for a job with little mitigation like BLM to survive all 45%. So what happened both times? We had a WAR who didn' just restart and kept going after I eventually died. Maybe it's anecdotal but I feel like I've seen that entirely too much this expansion and read too many comments, posts or threads about it. Frankly I'm tired of myriad easily solved problems this game has and I unsubbed today actually.

    And before someone says it, yes I left and took the penalty. That's ridiculous. Players shouldn't incur penalties because the dev team can't design a game right.
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    Last edited by Turtledeluxe; 08-15-2024 at 07:11 AM.

  5. #275
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby66 View Post
    Wasn't their a fight last expansion that was over tuned and people got upset over it? Wasn't it tge ultimate fight? We really are a community that cannot be pleased short from pure perfection.
    It wasn't ultimate, it was P8S. People got upset about it because some comps required crit fishing to clear the fight before the HP nerf.

    It's more the result of bad job balance more than an overtuned fight, but I digress.
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  6. #276
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    To be fair Savage was tuned just fine DPS wise. They just didn't have time to adjust and retest the Savage numbers after they buffed the DPS of jobs at launch and they apologised for it. That wont be the norm going forward this expansion.
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  7. #277
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    It wasn't ultimate, it was P8S. People got upset about it because some comps required crit fishing to clear the fight before the HP nerf.

    It's more the result of bad job balance more than an overtuned fight, but I digress.
    Was that the fight where they said the devs that tested the fight handled it fairly easy so they tweaked the numbers?

    Lol isn't that low key the definition of over tunning? That was my point no matter what people will complain and be upset about something short from sheer perfection. Even then I am not sure.
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  8. #278
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby66 View Post
    Was that the fight where they said the devs that tested the fight handled it fairly easy so they tweaked the numbers?

    Lol isn't that low key the definition of over tunning? That was my point no matter what people will complain and be upset about something short from sheer perfection. Even then I am not sure.
    It's not overtuned because the fight can be cleared, it's just harder on certain comps because you have to fish for crits, which makes it more a job balance issue than a fight tuning issue.
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  9. #279
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby66 View Post
    Wasn't their a fight last expansion that was over tuned and people got upset over it? Wasn't it tge ultimate fight? We really are a community that cannot be pleased short from pure perfection.
    uh ... if you go to the restaurant and order a dish:

    - If it comes out raw, you should complain.

    - If it comes out burn, you should also complain.

    - I don't think asking for your good to be cook right is asking too much, do you?

    I don't think the "people can't seem make up their mind" argument will work here.
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  10. #280
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    It's not overtuned because the fight can be cleared, it's just harder on certain comps because you have to fish for crits, which makes it more a job balance issue than a fight tuning issue.
    If it could be cleared why make the adjustment at all? Just tell those jobs to play a different class? Wait for extra tome gear idk. Still seems like people are expecting SE to balance everything perfectly.

    At the core isn't that what would happen if they made more busy healers and easier healers? If the busy healer is not overly stronger than the easier healer people will complain about that. If the easier healer is not as strong as the busy healer people will ask for buffs.

    I just don't know exactly what people are expecting. Even this fight while easy is still fun as hell.. SE really cannot please everyone.
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    Last edited by Bobby66; 08-15-2024 at 10:28 AM.

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