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    Quote Originally Posted by SwadTheFrog View Post
    So, I think this is why you're seeing so many "foul" opinions. Because people hesitate so much in speaking about someone's genuinely terrible, racist behaviour because they're a "protected" class (speaking in the loosest of terms here.) - people see no pushback towards something that should by all rights have pushback, so you see people from different cultures or beliefs pushing far harder than they would normallly to be heard.

    Genuinely the best thing you can do to ensure that gay, bi, latino, black, trans, whatever the hell else people are treated like everyone else, is to just treat them like everyone else, and stop trying to walk on eggshells because "Oh, I can't speak badly about them, they're (X)! - doing that kind of stuff just makes it worse.
    Unironically, my brother had a CO in the navy who was accused of racism.

    He was aquitted on grounds of generalized misanthropy. He hated everyone, but equally.

    On a more serious note, you're exactly right. People need to be held to account for behaviors they control.

    Race? Gender? Orientation? No real choice in that, ignore it.

    But everyone's got an ***hole, just wish they'd stop showing it. It's frustrating, because I have trans friends. I want them to get the care, love, and respect they deserve as human beings.

    Defending this sort of behavior hurts that. It makes people cautious, then frustrated, then angry. I'm convinced some of the 'hateful' people I've seen aren't even hateful, they're just tired of that eggshell walk. They want it to go away, and they're tired. It's the verbal equivalent of an exhausted, overstimulated cat swatting at you because it wants rest.

    Anyone who genuinely supports LGBTQ stuff needs to be the first person to disavow malicious behavior, and hold these people to account. If malicious behavior is allowed to become associated with who you're trying to help, well... one must imagine Sisyphus happy, I suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBoom550 View Post
    . I'm convinced some of the 'hateful' people I've seen aren't even hateful, they're just tired of that eggshell walk. They want it to go away, and they're tired. It's the verbal equivalent of an exhausted, overstimulated cat swatting at you because it wants rest.
    That's basically it. Are there people that disagree with the western interpretation of these things? Yes. Is that fine? Also yes. Are a lot of these people being pushed to an extreme and voicing themselves in a far more agressive manner because of the egshell nonsense? ABSOLUTELY yes. By stifling diaolgue either actively (banning, censoring) or passively (electing to not criticize something that rightfully should be criticized), people are actually pushing others towards extremes. The way to make sure folks aren't radicalized and respect one another is through dialogue and exchange of ideas, not calling one side ists and phobes and the other slurs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sivante View Post
    but we're on the internet, and I've no intention to risk inciting the fury of the wrong person on the wrong day and tumbling my way into getting banned from my silly adventure game for that intent.
    Man, I hear you. Compelled speech sucks.
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    Last edited by SwadTheFrog; 08-14-2024 at 11:22 PM.