M4S has officially been beaten without healers in week 2

[Raven2014]

It's simple you can say what you like but it doesn't matter what justification you have, the game is advertised as a trinity mmo, the trinity is broken, either fix it or remove it. This is current content if it was an old savage tier it wouldnt be a problem but having it this unbalanced means one of the main design choices of the game is broken.

Again, that had nothing to do with what I said.

I wasn't talking about healer.

I wasn't talking about trinity.

And for the last time, I already pointed out the flaw of SE's vision of the trinity in other posts, so it's not like I'm even defending the system.

I'm responding to your reply because you're making the excuse "PF can't do it, I'm personally more comfortable with call outs." Whatever, obsessed with the third party software.

Except I'm not. I'm just pointing the illogical assumption of the poster I quoted. Just because some drive a car, doesn't mean they're too lazy to walk. Just because someone use a calculator, doesn't mean they don't know how to do basic math. It may be the case it may be not, I simply point out to the other poster it's an erogenous assumption. that's all, and it has nothing related to your rant.

And it's irrelevant at this point because this is like your 3th replied, your first reply mentioned nothing of the sort.

Also aggressive implies I'm attacking you, I'm not I'm stating an opinion on poor game design bluntly and stating the fact that something is broken in the game so whatever opinion you have on it doesn't change the fact it's broken. People take discussion about a video game way too personally.

So what make you think you need to quote a completely irrelevant message to state your opinion?

You're just trying really hard not to take ownership of what you said, seem a bit hypocritical with all the air you putting up.

I didn't ask you to NOT be aggressive, I wasn't even the first person who said you came across as aggressive.

What I want to say is if you gonna quote someone, then reply with thing that related to the quote, especially if you gonna be aggressive about it.

Yet here you are, 3 replies later, still trying to run in circle putting up air instead of simply taking ownership of what you - at this point I gonna assume - a misquote.

If 2 people debating politic and one get aggressive, not ideal but understandable. But this is like I'm talking about the weather and you coming at me with a sexism rant/accusation.

Like ... holy crap, "replying to what you quote with something relevance" is such a difficult concept? Being blunt has no relevancy to it.

[Turtledeluxe]

I feel like koko wasn't making a false assumption. They said "if you need a plugin". That means, maybe you do on don't. Needing it would imply you can't accomplish the task without it. So I don't see a problem with the wording.

That said, I don't feel that it was that big of a comment on skill level, but it could be interpreted it that way

Conversation was-- doesn't matter, plugins only prove the point more. Jumping in to say someone using plugins doesn't mean that they are bad necessarily kind of seems like a defense that isn't contributing to the discussion

[TheRealQuah]

People who are incapable of clearing Honey B complaining that the games elite players did a crazy challenge.

This sort of thing should be celebrated but you guys are denigrating their achievement.

Very specific non-standard comp (just because some guy said that as a meme doesn't mean it isn't true)
They didn't do this by accident in 1 pull. Whole fight down to the gcd was meticulously planned out.

I'll accept criticism posts from people who go away and do this themselves.

[Supersnow845]

People who are incapable of clearing Honey B complaining that the games elite players did a crazy challenge.

This sort of thing should be celebrated but you guys are denigrating their achievement.

Very specific non-standard comp (just because some guy said that as a meme doesn't mean it isn't true)
They didn't do this by accident in 1 pull. Whole fight down to the gcd was meticulously planned out.

I'll accept criticism posts from people who go away and do this themselves.

“Whole fight meticulously planned down to the GCD”

My brother in Christ they failed 4 seperate mechanics and 2 people died and they had cactbot running

[Turtledeluxe]

You heard it here first. Celebrate cactbot. Elite players. Lmao.

No wonder XIV is in the state it is in, when its core base can longer perceive something is broken.

[Aravell]

I genuinely want to ask this question to those who think healers are fine and still have a place in the game: "Why are you threatened by healers asking for more?"

Healers asking for a better experience literally does not even affect you in any way if you think healers are fine now. All any fix would do is make the dissatisfied people happy while not affecting your own experience at all.

[Magikazam]

I genuinely want to ask this question to those who think healers are fine and still have a place in the game: "Why are you threatened by healers asking for more?"

Healers asking for a better experience literally does not even affect you in any way if you think healers are fine now. All any fix would do is make the dissatisfied people happy while not affecting your own experience at all.

You see, For some reason people are only happy when tank are op for some reason.

[Bobby66]

I genuinely want to ask this question to those who think healers are fine and still have a place in the game: "Why are you threatened by healers asking for more?"

Healers asking for a better experience literally does not even affect you in any way if you think healers are fine now. All any fix would do is make the dissatisfied people happy while not affecting your own experience at all.

I think it has something to do with players are afraid they will be benched for playing a certain job. I do not think anyone wants to go back to that time. I do not pug often but for the most part unless a class is grossly under performing people will accept every job.

Remember back in the day that was not the case. Say they give two play styles to healers. One easier akin to WHM and SGE, and then make SCH and AST have more depth and extra things to do. Say if they make WHM and SGE more selfish healers not much group utility and make AST and SCH give more group utility to help fill out their kit like party buffs they have the manage or something.

Unless WHM or SGE personal damage out paces what AST or SCH can do with their utility people will be like why bring WHM or SGE? But if WHM or SGE can match what AST and SCH do people will be like what is the point of AST or SCH if they can do our job with much less effort.

I think their was a time when people did complain about how easier jobs did the same or equal damage to jobs that required more perceived effort. This is a balance dilemma that is not exactly easy to fix. Someone will be unhappy.

[Rithy255]

I genuinely want to ask this question to those who think healers are fine and still have a place in the game: "Why are you threatened by healers asking for more?"

Healers asking for a better experience literally does not even affect you in any way if you think healers are fine now. All any fix would do is make the dissatisfied people happy while not affecting your own experience at all.

Because a lot of the arguments are to take away tools from non healer jobs.

As someone who likes Paladin, I enjoy that it has a lot of utility ect. A lot of things said here are asking to take stuff away from tanks, when they're already just slow dps with some support, I even personally want more protective/utility on tanks.

[Supersnow845]

Because a lot of the arguments are to take away tools from non healer jobs.

As someone who likes Paladin, I enjoy that it has a lot of utility ect. A lot of things said here are asking to take stuff away from tanks, when they're already just slow dps with some support, I even personally want more protective/utility on tanks.

Why do you believe your roles “utility” should include doing another roles job for them in a more effective way than the role itself does

If tomorrow they buffed the healers damage 30% above the tanks then gave them all various shades of 90% self mitigations with tiny CD’s and allowed for the facilitating of 4H4D clears with relative ease would you be happy with that

Doing another roles job for them isn’t utility