M4S has officially been beaten without healers in week 2

[ErryK]

using paladins as healers is not the same as not having healers.

The only thing to come of this will be nerfing paladin healing.

its really just this. they'd have to remove the healing aspect of divine veil and shake it off and this wouldn't be possible again.

[Sivante]

I am not being aggressive I am being blunt. The game is false advertising if it possible to clear current content without healers and whatever justification you write down means nothing, either cbu3 needs to destroy the trinity and move on to having all Jobs be hybrid or fix the trinity. People take someone speaking bluntly as aggressive which is something I can't help, I don't actually really care all that much if healers are deleted from the game I just want CBU3 to give us clear direction before we end up with a complete mess of a game.

To be clear, I think you're being aggressive but I also don't think that's a bad thing. Blunt factors right into aggressive with me. Either way I agree with you in full.

[Raven2014]

I am not being aggressive I am being blunt. The game is false advertising if it possible to clear current content without healers and whatever justification you write down means nothing, either cbu3 needs to destroy the trinity and move on to having all Jobs be hybrid or fix the trinity. People take someone speaking bluntly as aggressive which is something I can't help, I don't actually really care all that much if healers are deleted from the game I just want CBU3 to give us clear direction before we end up with a complete mess of a game.

My problem isn't really you being aggressive, my problem is why you quote my post and attached an aggressive rant that has nothing to do with it. Like ... seriously, in the post you quote I wasn't even talking about healer whatsoever.

You can go off the rail and that's fine, I'm just questioning why doing it in my face? You can be blunt as long as you hit the target, but this feels more like you're just making random swing at people. Again, this is the post that you quote:

I feel like this is just a false assumption. Are you saying just because you're good at something, you won't be using something that make it easier for you?

When I do PF, sometime I make macro to call out stuff like (in/out) or (partner/spread) if I keep seeing people make mistake, so obviously I'm capable of tracking them.

But that doesn't mean I feel much more comfortable whenever I play with static and have a dedicated caller.

So again, the heck that have anything to do with your rant?

[Magikazam]

using paladins as healers is not the same as not having healers.

The only thing to come of this will be nerfing paladin healing.

People already pointed out that they released the log for that clear and it not like Paladin were going out of their way to be healer. They weren't spamming clemency or anything.

[Wyti]

the reason for the 3 paladin was the triple cover play due to no tank LB.
Bonus point for keeping 4 supports and 4 dps to keep the myriad of pair mechanics in the fight consistent.

[Ramiee]

My problem isn't really you being aggressive, my problem is why you quote my post and attached an aggressive rant that has nothing to do with it. Like ... seriously, in the post you quote I wasn't even talking about healer whatsoever.

You can go off the rail and that's fine, I'm just questioning why doing it in my face? You can be blunt as long as you hit the target, but this feels more like you're just making random swing at people. Again, this is the post that you quote:



So again, the heck that have anything to do with your rant?

It's simple you can say what you like but it doesn't matter what justification you have, the game is advertised as a trinity mmo, the trinity is broken, either fix it or remove it. This is current content if it was an old savage tier it wouldnt be a problem but having it this unbalanced means one of the main design choices of the game is broken.

I'm responding to your reply because you're making the excuse "PF can't do it, I'm personally more comfortable with call outs." Whatever, obsessed with the third party software. My point is that doesn't matter because the current hardest content shouldn't be able to be cleared without healers and that whatever your opinion on this doesn't matter because the game's design is broken. It doesn't matter if you weren't talking about healers, you were talking about the clear without healers.

Also aggressive implies I'm attacking you, I'm not I'm stating an opinion on poor game design bluntly and stating the fact that something is broken in the game so whatever opinion you have on it doesn't change the fact it's broken. People take discussion about a video game way too personally.

[localareanetwork]

Did you actually watch the video, the party had cactbot running the entire time yelling out the mechanics, they did nothing fancy with the mechanics (like how the healer less TOP clear had to rezz sacc the RDM on magic number) and they even had two people die on canons and they still didn’t even see soft enrage

This is like your average mid tier static reclear tier quality effort from the party members. Following a mit plan and not taking extra damage really isn’t some monumental achievement. The only reason an average person isn’t doing this is because hector guides PF braindead follows don’t use non standard comps

I looked at the log because I assumed they were good players and didn't cheat. If anything that makes it worse than the "they're elite players" argument. If you need cheats to do anything then I couldn't care less about what it was because I already think it's dogshit.

[Raven2014]

It's simple you can say what you like but it doesn't matter what justification you have, the game is advertised as a trinity mmo, the trinity is broken, either fix it or remove it. This is current content if it was an old savage tier it wouldnt be a problem but having it this unbalanced means one of the main design choices of the game is broken.

Again, that had nothing to do with what I said.

I wasn't talking about healer.

I wasn't talking about trinity.

And for the last time, I already pointed out the flaw of SE's vision of the trinity in other posts, so it's not like I'm even defending the system.

I'm responding to your reply because you're making the excuse "PF can't do it, I'm personally more comfortable with call outs." Whatever, obsessed with the third party software.

Except I'm not. I'm just pointing the illogical assumption of the poster I quoted. Just because some drive a car, doesn't mean they're too lazy to walk. Just because someone use a calculator, doesn't mean they don't know how to do basic math. It may be the case it may be not, I simply point out to the other poster it's an erogenous assumption. that's all, and it has nothing related to your rant.

And it's irrelevant at this point because this is like your 3th replied, your first reply mentioned nothing of the sort.

Also aggressive implies I'm attacking you, I'm not I'm stating an opinion on poor game design bluntly and stating the fact that something is broken in the game so whatever opinion you have on it doesn't change the fact it's broken. People take discussion about a video game way too personally.

So what make you think you need to quote a completely irrelevant message to state your opinion?

You're just trying really hard not to take ownership of what you said, seem a bit hypocritical with all the air you putting up.

I didn't ask you to NOT be aggressive, I wasn't even the first person who said you came across as aggressive.

What I want to say is if you gonna quote someone, then reply with thing that related to the quote, especially if you gonna be aggressive about it.

Yet here you are, 3 replies later, still trying to run in circle putting up air instead of simply taking ownership of what you - at this point I gonna assume - a misquote.

If 2 people debating politic and one get aggressive, not ideal but understandable. But this is like I'm talking about the weather and you coming at me with a sexism rant/accusation.

Like ... holy crap, "replying to what you quote with something relevance" is such a difficult concept? Being blunt has no relevancy to it.

[TheRealQuah]

People who are incapable of clearing Honey B complaining that the games elite players did a crazy challenge.

This sort of thing should be celebrated but you guys are denigrating their achievement.

Very specific non-standard comp (just because some guy said that as a meme doesn't mean it isn't true)
They didn't do this by accident in 1 pull. Whole fight down to the gcd was meticulously planned out.

I'll accept criticism posts from people who go away and do this themselves.

[Supersnow845]

People who are incapable of clearing Honey B complaining that the games elite players did a crazy challenge.

This sort of thing should be celebrated but you guys are denigrating their achievement.

Very specific non-standard comp (just because some guy said that as a meme doesn't mean it isn't true)
They didn't do this by accident in 1 pull. Whole fight down to the gcd was meticulously planned out.

I'll accept criticism posts from people who go away and do this themselves.

“Whole fight meticulously planned down to the GCD”

My brother in Christ they failed 4 seperate mechanics and 2 people died and they had cactbot running