M4S has officially been beaten without healers in week 2

[Shinku_Tachi]

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Yeah, it's more something that has progressed to this point.

And while I don't have an issue with spread responsibility or roles having a little something they do from other roles. It shouldn't be at the expense of other roles.

Current content should be built around making each role in the trinity indispensable in any given duty.

If current 8-man content, for example, is intended for the 2Tank/2Heals/4DPS set-up. Then the duty itself needs to be built to require that set-up to clear it. If it can be cleared without that set-up, then Yoshi-P's team needs to go back to the drawing board.

[ZephyrMenodora]

it's better to deal with the issue now before it gets where the damage is irreparable.

You'll have to forgive my apathy, given 3 years of Healer feedback threads that have gone nowhere.

[NightHour]

The amount of healer tears in this thread because some players pulled off something niche that requires extensive planning and perfect play is insane.


This will never be doable by the average player, especially PF.



This tier is undertuned, that's common knowledge though.

[Supersnow845]

The amount of healer tears in this thread because some players pulled off something niche that requires extensive planning and perfect play is insane.


This will never be doable by the average player, especially PF.



This tier is undertuned, that's common knowledge though.

There was zero uptime GCD healing by the PLD’s here, literally anyone who can parse purple can do this
And actually locking out healers isn’t the point anyway. The point is that if the PLD can do the healers job for them why do we have TWO healers overloaded with disgustingly overpowered healing

When nascent flash+SIO+DV is doing 80% of the healing in this log then why the actual f……. Does a skill as powerful as seraphism exist on a class that has a damage kit that looks like it’s designed around a healer that spends 95% of the time spamming succor

[Ramiee]

You know if I was ever to go make a static i would want healers who can change to PLD if possible in an encounter. Purely because healers are sandbagging every other player in the game now, if two PLDs can do the healing for a savage as comfortably as M4S then I would just take them and a RDM for any res requirements. There is no benefits taking a role who isn't needed and does far less damage than all other jobs and frankly with their ILV fuckery to avoid piety I wouldn't want to waste gear on them.
This shouldn't be a choice however the game should be balanced that this isn't an option but CBU3 is incomptent at balancing this game, I still lol at people who says FFXIV is one of the most balanced MMOs.

[Ramiee]

Babble.

Can you do as much damage as a PLD? No? Ok lol if I got a choice it aint you. WHM especially, what a terrible healer much prefer an Astro or even a double barrier, your job is worthless compared to them and they are worthless compared to a PLD in optimal setting.
I think you ought to be mad at CBU3 for leaving you in the dirt then your fellow healer players who have been trying to make CBU3 fix your terrible jobs and role.

[Supersnow845]

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I was going to go through and dissect every inconsistently or walking back your own point but holy hell we’d be here all day, this post is a walking inconsistency

So let’s pick my favourites

“I’ve done plenty of content of content using only DPS or using only healers (granted it was alliance raids or dungeons)”- do I even need to comment here

“You are told to go do hard content because it makes you necessary then get angry when said hard content is cleared with no healers”- this one is just like……..yes that’s exactly right, how are you trying to use that to argue the reverse. You just wrote a completely logical sentence then tried to use said logic to argue the opposing point

[EponaTBHSMH]

I think it would actually be hilarious if PFs with with 3 PLDs 1 WAR popped up thanks to that.

But for people this actually bothers, what do you plan on doing to solve this? Striking didnt work clearly, having gigantic threads with lots of page doesnt either, so now what?

[localareanetwork]

There was zero uptime GCD healing by the PLD’s here, literally anyone who can parse purple can do this
And actually locking out healers isn’t the point anyway. The point is that if the PLD can do the healers job for them why do we have TWO healers overloaded with disgustingly overpowered healing

When nascent flash+SIO+DV is doing 80% of the healing in this log then why the actual f……. Does a skill as powerful as seraphism exist on a class that has a damage kit that looks like it’s designed around a healer that spends 95% of the time spamming succor

If anyone who can parse purple can do it can you do it and upload a vod here? (not arguing that WAR isn't broken, but come on, a normal player isn't doing this)

[Supersnow845]

If anyone who can parse purple can do it can you do it and upload a vod here? (not arguing that WAR isn't broken, but come on, a normal player isn't doing this)

Did you actually watch the video, the party had cactbot running the entire time yelling out the mechanics, they did nothing fancy with the mechanics (like how the healer less TOP clear had to rezz sacc the RDM on magic number) and they even had two people die on canons and they still didn’t even see soft enrage

This is like your average mid tier static reclear tier quality effort from the party members. Following a mit plan and not taking extra damage really isn’t some monumental achievement. The only reason an average person isn’t doing this is because hector guides PF braindead follows don’t use non standard comps