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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorito_Burrito View Post
    I was thinking it was caused by Solution Nine's equivalent of "city air".
    Exactly, lightning aspected aether being said "city air"
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    Which brings me back to the other solution: Now that they have an exit from the lightning-flooded Alexandria, to the elementally balanced Tulral, why not try taking the boy on a little trip to the new neighbors? Assuming they find someone who can give them an adequate escort, the worst that can happen is that the boy sees something else than the room he spent probably his entire life in and there's at least a chance it might improve his condition.
    Granted, the mother might not know that vanguard has been smashed to pieces and free access to Tural is now possible, but we do know it, since we did it, so the WoL could suggest this.
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    It's glaringly obvious that it's a Patch plot line that will be addressed and possibly solved at the point in a narrative where there is room and narrative sense to address it- not during Sphene's carefully orchestrated tour of Alexandria where we are trying to gather intel and possible allies to take down Zoraal Ja in a time-sensitive manner.

    Summoning porxies without the time, labor, and aether saving Mother Porxie that we did the Matoya Relict dungeon to create is neither quick nor safe when in uncertainly to soon-to-be-confirm hostile territory, especially when the tempering cure is memories and only a certain threshold of aether imbalance caused by an isolated blast of aspected aether. A genetic condition is different.

    And the oversaturated electric aether of Alexandria itself is all-but-stated outright to be the cause, to which, yes, taking the afflicted outside of Vanguard is the best solution and the one not available at that point in the MSQ. Post MSQ it is, and thus I will be highly surprised if it isn't brought up in 7.1.
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    Should have brought it up for Sphene, but doubt it would have changed much seeing how the blue gecko would still have committed a massacre of the Alexandrians kicking Sphene AI into panic genocide mode.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denishia View Post
    And the oversaturated electric aether of Alexandria itself is all-but-stated outright to be the cause, to which, yes, taking the afflicted outside of Vanguard is the best solution and the one not available at that point in the MSQ. Post MSQ it is, and thus I will be highly surprised if it isn't brought up in 7.1.
    I feel like they're going to need a plot reason as to why the rest of Etheirys can't just start grabbing electrope and leap forward a thousand years in technology, and being around it causing serious health issues (especially in people not used to it) would be a good excuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ngwoo View Post
    I feel like they're going to need a plot reason as to why the rest of Etheirys can't just start grabbing electrope and leap forward a thousand years in technology, and being around it causing serious health issues (especially in people not used to it) would be a good excuse.
    I can think of 2 reasons off the top of my head: Electrope is a limited resource, due to not being native to the source, and that electrope needs to be charged for it to do anything. Alexandria has the dome of perpetual lightning to solve that but where else is going to have that much electrical energy that constantly?
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  7. #27
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    Living Memory exists on their home reflection, we could presumably get an entire world's worth of electrope from there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ngwoo View Post
    I feel like they're going to need a plot reason as to why the rest of Etheirys can't just start grabbing electrope and leap forward a thousand years in technology, and being around it causing serious health issues (especially in people not used to it) would be a good excuse.
    You're assuming they want it.

    Remember, high-tech isn't exactly a foreign concept in most of the world; the Garlean Empire was a thing, and it was a thing for long enough that even before they fell and stopped trying to conquer and subjugate the planet, general society had a chance to pick up some of their tricks. And you know what they picked? Airships, and one Ishgardian gun club.

    Eorzean society already had a chance to step up their technological game, and they said 'no' then, too. That's kinda the funny thing about a magical setting: in the real world a technological leap can just be objectively better, but in a world where magical teleportation exists does a motorbike really have that much to offer?
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    Last edited by Cleretic; 08-13-2024 at 11:24 AM.

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    I wonder if electrope would still work, if you infused it with raw aether, like from the aether font, or if it can be charged with corrupted lightning crystals, which are still plentyful in Eorzea.

    Someone might also get the idea to charge it by summoning a lightning primal, like Ramuh. And now thinking about it, that could even work. Pick a very remote region, so there's no chance for collateral damage, equip the team with warding scales. Then have them summon the primal, with the wish to charge the electrope, which should result in the primal pouring lightning bolts into the stones until it's aether runs out and it disappears again. Like that it should be quite safe and you could use any kind of aether or crystals to eventually charge the electrope.

    As for how limited it is... even in the merged section of Alexandria, we have a sizeable electrope mine and we saw how much someone can do with a palm-sized electrope cube in 4th Arcadion fight, so even this limited amount of electrope could still have a massive impact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
    You're assuming they want it.
    Not necessarily @ you, but just to add:

    It's also probably a lot of "Well that's just how the story is", as to why most societies won't mass adopt Electrope, even if it was easy to get.

    Like, we already have magic moon-bunnies that can mass-3d-print entire structures/cities. There's no reason for refugees to even exist outside of Ul'dah, or for Ishgard to not be 100% repaired and to no longer have the semi-homeless "Brume" class of people.

    Even if we ignore the moon bunnies, I have an entire personal island that could easily serve as home for the entire Garlean population (or refugees, or whoever no longer wants to get by as a Dirt Farmer), but I guess the master plan there is to turn it into the "WoL Monster Island" if I ever go primal due to overwhelming power, or those people just really took to heart the whole "we were made to suffer".

    tl;dr:

    The world just will not and does not need to make logical sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by No_Nick_Needed View Post
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    From Endwalker on, we can now summon without threat of tempering, so there's no real need for the warding scale...but better safe than sorry!

    Regarding the Electrope mine, maaaybe, but I'm not sure it's just a raw mineral we can mine. As in, we couldn't goto a dump and "mine" for electronic circuits and expect them to be useable or even intact once pulled. But, it might be we can do something akin to recycling from old electronics to make a new version once we understand how the circuitry works.

    It makes for an interesting angle, assuming they don't just do a "Alexander's back! BTW you have to have done the Alexander raids to continue!"
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    Last edited by kaynide; 08-14-2024 at 10:39 AM.

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