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    Our whole entire timeline died before we unnaturally broke it with crystal tower hijinks

    The way regulators work, that's purely the writer's choice to throw so much plot at them that it was intractable

    How easily they could have just drawn from the excess lightning energy.. they even had a whole plot point around the material the regulator is made from

    but no.. gotta use souls. for reasons. that way we have to stop them...
    of course.. then again we're only denser thanks to rejoining so many souls.. hmm

    Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZoF3rCupJs yea Hydaelyn revives the WoL vs lahabread

    and we brought yshtola back from being a aetherial sea ghost lady
    and Zero is basically an unzombie...

    so yea.

    there was no reason to go all dark with ff9's auto-life
    and have the backbone to actually have the real characters. why are they making up new throw aways when they have the license to such a rich world? it is crazy. absolutely crazy.

    heck even stay within ff14 cast and make it somehow about minfilia or something...
    so many missed opportunities to do cool narratives replaces by
    - walk here and click
    - walk there and click
    - become the arbiter of death and click
    - stand there and do nothing while obvious bad things unfold around you, and click
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    Quote Originally Posted by StealthPaladin View Post
    Our whole entire timeline died before we unnaturally broke it with crystal tower hijinks

    The way regulators work, that's purely the writer's choice to throw so much plot at them that it was intractable

    How easily they could have just drawn from the excess lightning energy.. they even had a whole plot point around the material the regulator is made from

    but no.. gotta use souls. for reasons. that way we have to stop them...
    of course.. then again we're only denser thanks to rejoining so many souls.. hmm

    Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZoF3rCupJs yea Hydaelyn revives the WoL vs lahabread

    and we brought yshtola back from being a aetherial sea ghost lady
    and Zero is basically an unzombie...

    so yea.
    None of those examples are death. Some of them are very weird, but they aren't death, and the story underlines why they're not. Also, your 'evidence' for the fight against Lahabrea is someone's video title; it's exactly as not-death as everything else, that is not some kind of extra proof.

    What, did you want a society to have just cheated death, and for us to respond with 'cool!' and the story about that element to have absolute no moral conflict or weight?
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    No you fully die when lahabrea kills you, if you dont want to accept the sound effects and lighting's meaning thats on you

    and you died in the other timeline that graha went through - as did whole civilizations.

    and others have died besides us -- plus originally I'm including every time you wipe in a raid.
    oh wait you have zero deaths huh. yea ok. so basically we're rez abuser #1.
    we even get to just suddenly be an ascian when it is convenient cause you know. not really into dying.
    and hey that's cool with me, what's not is bringing all this depressing crap into a FANTASY GAME.
    crystals bad. summons bad. rez magic bad. saving ascians bad.

    let me save all the princesses. it wont even be cliche anymore cause no game lets you do that for 30 freakin years.

    forget it. i don't want to just advance a story where if i didnt more people would be alive. garbage.
    more like the warrior of death.

    Besides there is no reason they can't use the same plot armor on anyone else even if that's true. But sure when venat uses a rock to res ppl its totally fine gotcha. you dont have to agree with me but this stands as my view
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    Quote Originally Posted by StealthPaladin View Post
    No you fully die when lahabrea kills you, if you dont want to accept the sound effects and lighting's meaning thats on you
    That was not confirmed at all and the fact that Hydaelyn spoke to the Warrior of Light - "Surrender not, my child. Look thee into the light and receive the power to banish darkness". I mean, there isn't too much explanation required here - she certainly isn't talking to herself and it's a bit difficult to give power to defeat a foe to someone who is dead.

    In fact the wiki description of the event in question says this:
    "but the adventurer was defeated in battle by Lahabrea. Hydaelyn intervened once more and bestowed the adventurer with as much strength as she could to help them overpower the Asican paragon"
    "defeated in battle" - not "killed in battle".

    In fact, we see exactly what happens when Hydaelyn's chosen actually die with Ysayle.
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    Last edited by Carin-Eri; 08-19-2024 at 06:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carin-Eri View Post
    In fact the wiki description of the event in question says this:
    A fan wiki is not official and any exact choice of wording may be down to personal (mis)interpretation.

    I'm not saying that's the case specifically here, I will say this to anyone who points to "the wiki" as a source to settle debates over canon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    A fan wiki is not official and any exact choice of wording may be down to personal (mis)interpretation.

    I'm not saying that's the case specifically here, I will say this anyone points to "the wiki" as a source to settle debates over canon.
    Fair point - I guess that wasn't the best example really.

    Still, I do maintain the points I made aside from that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StealthPaladin View Post
    No you fully die when lahabrea kills you, if you dont want to accept the sound effects and lighting's meaning thats on you

    and you died in the other timeline that graha went through - as did whole civilizations.

    and others have died besides us -- plus originally I'm including every time you wipe in a raid.
    oh wait you have zero deaths huh. yea ok. so basically we're rez abuser #1.
    we even get to just suddenly be an ascian when it is convenient cause you know. not really into dying.
    and hey that's cool with me, what's not is bringing all this depressing crap into a FANTASY GAME.
    crystals bad. summons bad. rez magic bad. saving ascians bad.

    let me save all the princesses. it wont even be cliche anymore cause no game lets you do that for 30 freakin years.

    forget it. i don't want to just advance a story where if i didnt more people would be alive. garbage.
    more like the warrior of death.

    Besides there is no reason they can't use the same plot armor on anyone else even if that's true. But sure when venat uses a rock to res ppl its totally fine gotcha. you dont have to agree with me but this stands as my view
    in raids we never die we fall faint but ya I can get why you think die die but it's also a way to well be a MMO. the main character doesn't die at all due to the echo or something else but never we die we get close oh hell ya we do I will not deny it.


    also last thing we are exploring a completely new area so completely new lore to discover was it will done weeeell depend but I think you get clouded by your personal preference not gonna lie with you
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