Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

[gumas]

you know, put aside the rubber bullet, iam still amazed how ketenramn is alived, when the scene he got ambushed and straight up "slashed effect" i though he is pretty much dead, but it turn out he just get "bonk" to unconscious.

if this is any previous expansion, that scene usually 100% dead, granted i havent finished the main story yet so maybe he got some important role later, but i just cant think that this expansion it really felt got "disneyfy" a lot

[MartinFreeman]

you know, put aside the rubber bullet, iam still amazed how ketenramn is alived, when the scene he got ambushed and straight up "slashed effect" i though he is pretty much dead, but it turn out he just get "bonk" to unconscious.

if this is any previous expansion, that scene usually 100% dead, granted i havent finished the main story yet so maybe he got some important role later, but i just cant think that this expansion it really felt got "disneyfy" a lot

Your thoughts are more on the money than you think. Especially when you get further. Let's just say, you're going to find out how Disney it really is. To the point of an actual reference.

[sylphlands]

you know, put aside the rubber bullet, iam still amazed how ketenramn is alived, when the scene he got ambushed and straight up "slashed effect" i though he is pretty much dead, but it turn out he just get "bonk" to unconscious.

This reveal made me laugh so hard. If I hadn't witnessed the scene of him being attacked with my own eyes I would have had no idea it even happened when we saw him again. He didn't appear injured or even shaken up, just completely unaffected. What was the point?

[SushiOishiiii]

This reveal made me laugh so hard. If I hadn't witnessed the scene of him being attacked with my own eyes I would have had no idea it even happened when we saw him again. He didn't appear injured or even shaken up, just completely unaffected. What was the point?

Think it was a JJ Abrams moment... kill everyone, but not really.

[LisseyCrowe]

This reveal made me laugh so hard. If I hadn't witnessed the scene of him being attacked with my own eyes I would have had no idea it even happened when we saw him again. He didn't appear injured or even shaken up, just completely unaffected. What was the point?

The entire time I was waiting for him to go "AHAH! THE REAL KETENRAMN WAS ASSASSINATED, I AM ACTUALLY <insert Villain>".

Like why have him not only survive, but practically downplay the whole thing and not even mention it for quite a few scenes only to go the way it did. I can't even call it a clever red herring because there's no grander mystery at play here, it's just "Sometimes, the truth is boring" I guess? It's so confusing what the writer's intent here was.

[BabySneed]

The entire time I was waiting for him to go "AHAH! THE REAL KETENRAMN WAS ASSASSINATED, I AM ACTUALLY <insert Villain>".

I was thinking the exact same thing but also I just want to say that scene loading into the goofy ass main city day theme was the funniest thing ever, I just watched some guy (as far as I was aware) get brutally assassinated in his own home and it immediately cuts to the Monsters Inc theme blaring happily into my ears, I had to give myself a minute before continuing because I was laughing so hard at the tonal whiplash
PoV: You have just been murdered in cold blood in Final Fantasy XIV: Dawntrail https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs4DNJxG4v4

[ZXN]

you know, put aside the rubber bullet, iam still amazed how ketenramn is alived, when the scene he got ambushed and straight up "slashed effect" i though he is pretty much dead, but it turn out he just get "bonk" to unconscious.

Clearly Ketenramm was slashed in the back with a rubber sword that Zoraal Ja just has on him for very specific times like this.

[Remember_The_Name]

if this is any previous expansion, that scene usually 100% dead, granted i havent finished the main story yet so maybe he got some important role later, but i just cant think that this expansion it really felt got "disneyfy" a lot

And what's funny is that they could've cleared this mess of a cutscene with one additional shot. Pan the camera down over Ketenramm's body, then swap the frame on his hand and show it twitch or curl a little, showing that the life is still present. BAM, he is clearly still alive, but something evil is afoot. And now his sudden appearance in Gulool Ja Ja assassination cutscene is no more confusing.

With that problem cleared, here is another question for you all (maybe it was asked already, but the thread getting kinda big):

Why such seasoned seafarer, explorer and pioneer was keeping ALL SEVEN KEYSTONES in his house under his pillow, ripe for the taking by any determined thief? Maybe I am paranoic, but if I was entrusted the keys to the room with a super mysterious and potentially very dangerous artifact, I would have hidden them in separate places all over the zone. That makes anyone wanting to claim them either search a needle in the haystack or try to interrogate the keeper.

Oh, and also, even with keystones stolen, this guy didn't raised any alarm. Like at all. The entire Wild West zone story has happened, and nobody got told anything. It would've made sense if Ketenramm was actually killed, but thanks to "dineyfication", he is apparently not while the player at that particular moment assumes that he is dead. So... with his sudden appearance in mentioned cutscene, the writing just falls apart.

Think about it, if not for this guy massive blunder, the second arc wouldn't have started, lmao. I understand that writers wanted to push the narrative, but they did it in the most crude and lazy way. In line with majority of Dawntrail, sadly.

[Lorika]

And what's funny is that they could've cleared this mess of a cutscene with one additional shot. Pan the camera down over Ketenramm's body, then swap the frame on his hand and show it twitch or curl a little, showing that the life is still present. BAM, he is clearly still alive, but something evil is afoot. And now his sudden appearance in Gulool Ja Ja assassination cutscene is no more confusing.

With that problem cleared, here is another question for you all (maybe it was asked already, but the thread getting kinda big):

Why such seasoned seafarer, explorer and pioneer was keeping ALL SEVEN KEYSTONES in his house under his pillow, ripe for the taking by any determined thief? Maybe I am paranoic, but if I was entrusted the keys to the room with a super mysterious and potentially very dangerous artifact, I would have hidden them in separate places all over the zone. That makes anyone wanting to claim them either search a needle in the haystack or try to interrogate the keeper.

Oh, and also, even with keystones stolen, this guy didn't raised any alarm. Like at all. The entire Wild West zone story has happened, and nobody got told anything. It would've made sense if Ketenramm was actually killed, but thanks to "dineyfication", he is apparently not while the player at that particular moment assumes that he is dead. So... with his sudden appearance in mentioned cutscene, the writing just falls apart.

Think about it, if not for this guy massive blunder, the second arc wouldn't have started, lmao. I understand that writers wanted to push the narrative, but they did it in the most crude and lazy way. In line with majority of Dawntrail, sadly.

There is a saying that goes like that :if you want to hide a tree, hide it in a forest.
Meaning : the more obvious place are often dismissed by thief.... Because "nah than can't be here, it would be foolish"

[arstoka]

... -snip-

Oh, and also, even with keystones stolen, this guy didn't raised any alarm. Like at all. The entire Wild West zone story has happened, and nobody got told anything. It would've made sense if Ketenramm was actually killed, but thanks to "dineyfication", he is apparently not while the player at that particular moment assumes that he is dead. So... with his sudden appearance in mentioned cutscene, the writing just falls apart.

Think about it, if not for this guy massive blunder, the second arc wouldn't have started, lmao. I understand that writers wanted to push the narrative, but they did it in the most crude and lazy way. In line with majority of Dawntrail, sadly.

The scene honestly just undermined any actual possible tension for the second half. Square once again couldn't pull the trigger by killing off a somewhat established character.

As cheap a death as it would have been, it might, just MIGHT, have added some weight to Zoraal Ja's actions instead of his kill count being Soreel Ja, Goulul Ja Ja and...several npcs. This isn't to undermine his "evilness" but it certainly could have shown him as much more ruthless. (Also no one really knows that Soreel Ja was killed as far as the narrative is concerned.)