Removing mana for most jobs is ridiculous

[PyurBlue]

Resource management is fun when it feels meaningful. Lucid dreaming isn't meaningful. It's a one minute press and forget button. Pre DT BLM had engaging MP mechanics that were fun to play with and if classes had something similar to that I'd welcome it.

[Jeeqbit]

MP management did used to matter more and it was fine. That is true. You could easily mess up PLD and run out of MP so that you couldn't do your Holy Spirit burst properly. That's not really a thing anymore.

But obviously they want to make it difficult to mess up the rotation due to lack of knowledge/experience so that's why.

[Kalocin]

They'd have to shift back to ARR's style or away from the 2 minute meta. Mana/TP would have to be a system where you can spam something high in damage like DRK but greed is punishing.

They likely won't do that though with their hyper focus on aligning buff windows. If not, the system would just go back to punishing deaths or a lame soft enrage where you can't do anything after 5 min or whatever it would be.

[CerusSerenade]

TP just limited every melee job's ability to AoE and was universally celebrated when it was removed at the end of SB.

[Mikey_R]

and in many cases the rate of TP generation would always exceed the cost of TP for attacking, minus when you went into AoE situations, then you would find yourself spending more than you would regen.

Just to clarify, the only cases where this happened were for physical ranged and Warrior. Melee would bottom out on TP, even with optimal Invigorate usage, though mainly on longer fights, ie. trials raids. Dungeons bosses weren't generally an issue as they didn't last long enough.

Physical ranged didn't have this issue as they had Tactician (or equivalent) to help them alongside Invigorate. Warrior had Equilibrium in Deliverance, which restored TP, that being the DPS stance and so was used 99% of the time, so no thought there.

If you wanted to sustain your TP as a physical job, you had to get help from outside sources, whether that is the aforementioned Tactician, Goad (which can only be used on someone else, not yourself) or AST cards (Balance or bust).



As for resource management, how are we defining it? Technically, using a skill before it overcaps to give yourself the most amount of resource to use in the 2 minute window is resource management. But, for some, that doesn't count. So what extra is actually required for it to count?

We also need to talk about other party members. Should other party members contribute to your resource management? If others have to contribute to your resource management, is it still technically your resource management? Or are you making everyone else in the team manage everyone's resources. How would that work?

Also, why does the OP (or anyone else that agrees with this statement) not agree that the job gauges are resource management? Just hit at 100? That is you managing that resource.

They are just fill and spend, so is every resource. They get built up in different ways, they get spent in different ways. Provide an example where that isn't the case. Something that isn't just fill and spend.

[Kashou]

Mana is bad

[Reimmi]

Job gauges ARE resource management.

rofl, thats cute

[Connor]

Mana is bad

-Signed: all melees

[Wildheaven182]

Job resources arent resources, theyre just what let you do your rotation.
You could delete all job gauges and just highlight every button to press next and it would have the same zero variability.

[Vyrerus]

Depending on job, TP was actually limiting in longer single target fights. Particularly for HW era PLD and DRK. Even with perfect play, they would inevitably have to either ask for Army's Paeon or Muscle Relaxant (or just stop using physical GCDs for a few tics, which for PLD equated to dealing no damage).

It was also fairly limiting for any physical job after death, as you'd only come back with about 200 TP.

The Arrow buff from Astrologian would actually increase damage by letting people GCD faster, but if the fight was too long for it, basically almost any raid fight, and it'd cause TP issues. Particularly on DRG who had higher TP cost for WS to offset their higher potency compared to MNK or NIN, which was innately offset by DRG not having a skill speed buff.

Sprint would also consume ALL of it, so large pulls done with sprint used to have an extra layer of skill tied to them (well for WAR anyway). Also meant no using sprint to make mechanics easier in boss fights.

Its removal was cheered on in SHB, but that's because people are bad at the game and want to be bad at the game. And SE thinks they get more customers if they cater to that mindset, never realizing it's a never ending downhill slope of, "Change this. Make it more convenient(easier)." Until we land where we are now.