Dawntrail's MSQ story is a disaster and waste of potential. [full spoilers]

[Windwalker]

What i don't get is why Endwalker and Dawntrail both have Villian women. What happened to badass men? Zooral ja was cool, Sphene is lame and feels like a copy of Meteion.

[Serilyn]

What i don't get is why Endwalker and Dawntrail both have Villian women. What happened to badass men? Zooral ja was cool, Sphene is lame and feels like a copy of Meteion.

She does feel like a copy, but her being bad has nothing to do with being a woman.

I'd argue they use female villains far too little, most of the expansions have male villains. Most Final Fantasy games in general have male villains. Its nice to see female ones, but would be better if they added some variety and didn't copy previous ones.

[Raven2014]

What i don't get is why Endwalker and Dawntrail both have Villian women. What happened to badass men? Zooral ja was cool, Sphene is lame and feels like a copy of Meteion.

Uh ... what do you call Zeno then? Remember him, that dude we fought in the last fight of EW?

The problem with FF14 in general is we rarely get a real villain, Zeno was like the only tried and true, unapologetic villain. The only other I can think of is Asashi, but he's a side character. Since the story tend to focus on the power of understanding, love and friendship that the majority of time all the bad guys are talktojitsu into redemption or at least just a sympathetic misunderstanding.

[Teraluna]

They did get taken down by rubber bullets (and one Estinien), toss in their Queen, for unknown reasons, gave Zoraal Ja so much power that even she couldn’t override his authority in an emergency, and LM for whatever reason had like 0 safeguards as we casually strolled around to each terminal with not even as little as a warning sound.

So I don’t think them being an advanced civilisation was doing them any favours tbh.

I think it's the writing quality that need advancing, at least back to somewhere near previous levels.

[Oichi]

Hey on the bright side, when it come to story writing and telling, it can only get better ! ... surely they won't do worse hahaha .... haha ..... ha ... please tell me they won't manage to do worse :'(

I have been saying that to myself, again and again, since 6.1... let me share your very desperate laugh

[Windwalker]

Wish they experimented more with the story, Dawntrail was way too predictable and boring. No plot twists or turns, just a straight predictable line.

Would be hilarious if you help Wuk Lamat become Dawnservant and then she becomes evil and betrays you, using you to gain that position and the evil guys who you fought against are actually the good guys, having to defeat her and making Koana or Bakool ja ja Dawnservant instead.

Evil Wuk Lamat would be the perfect plot twist, with how much they hype her being a good person, besides would feel so good getting rid of that nuisance.

Something that bothered me while going trough the story is... Who is Zoraal ja's sons mother? Nobody even questioned that. Just a random kid comming out of nowhere and being abandoned.

[Windwalker]

The issue with Shonen is, it requires a massive amount of character development to be good. Naruto/One Piece/Bleach etc was good only because you got their entire backstory, them growing up, watching them change and become stronger both mentally and physically. Wuk Lamat got zero character development which makes her stale and boring and tons of plot holes in the Dawntrail story, theres not enough time to like or even care about Wuk Lamat. What i noticed with her also is, sometimes shes the smartest one around and sometimes shes dumb as a rock, constantly jumping between the two.

[george357]

i find the storyline good and at times entertaining character interaction is good overall a good report to the company for doing a good job.

[Barachim]

I really wish Zoraal Ja would have won the throne. Would have been fun to watch him realize he bit off more than he could chew.



The plot could still have him end up joining forces with Alexandria and gaining the means for world conquest. We might have ended up with a more interesting plot if they didn't push Wuk Lamat into the forefront and spent some of the time developing Zoraal Ja.

[Wolf_Heartnet]

The issue with Shonen is, it requires a massive amount of character development to be good. Naruto/One Piece/Bleach etc was good only because you got their entire backstory, them growing up, watching them change and become stronger both mentally and physically. Wuk Lamat got zero character development which makes her stale and boring and tons of plot holes in the Dawntrail story, there's not enough time to like or even care about Wuk Lamat. What i noticed with her also is, sometimes she's the smartest one around and sometimes she's dumb as a rock, constantly jumping between the two.

I disagree. She got a ton of development. It just wasn't good development. You literally had her for 99% of the MSQ and they failed to make her a good character. No other character has ever gotten this much screen time in a single expansion and she prob still tops some characters across multiple expansions based on her screen time.

My opinion is that the writing sucks and her character sucks and shes 1 dimensional as hell.