Is it time for enrage timers in normal content?

[Oizen]

Because a tank requires 7 vuln stacks to take the same amount of damage as another player. However tanks also have almost twice the HP of other players, to take percentage health bar equitable damage a tank has to have 13 vuln stacks (remember it caps at 8 in the modern game). Then on top of that tanks are overflowing with defensives, putting up a single 20% defensive (so rampart, your 2 minutes or your short mitigation) means you need 19 vuln stacks to take HP equitable damage compared to a caster AND tanks can fully heal themselves near twice a minute

I don't really see how this is relevant. If your soloing a boss you're probably not taking vuln stacks to begin with.
As opposed to the people who died, who likely had 2-3 on them. I get you're trying to make this sound like I'm saying this is a skill thing, but I just said "normal content isnt hard for anyone". Anyone includes tanks.

You aren’t talented and you don’t have a right to hold the rest of the party hostage, the game simply doesn’t permit you to die because of your ridiculous defence
Throw yourself off the map next time you take more than one hit every minute and we will see how much more “talented” tanks are

Its nothing about talent to me, I queued for a thing and I'm going to do it. In turn I see no reason why you dictate how other players play the game due to ineptitude at normal mode mechanics.
I'll give you that Tanks are overkitted for normal content, but so are healers. And DPS aren't even tested in normal content.

Vuln stacks not mattering to tank is just how the game is to me, I'll avoid attacks that are actually lethal, and stand in the ones that give some form of benefit such as uptime.
I doubt they're in a rush to make the game actually hard for anyone at this level.

[Karious]

Guarantee if we saw you doing the fights you're getting 8 vuln stacks but living because tanks lmao
When i get the nier raid and not mting i sometimes grab the orbs for fun and get to 16 vulns, and don't die

I don't get vuln stacks because I know how to avoid the glowy spots on the ground.

[Supersnow845]

I don't really see how this is relevant. If your soloing a boss you're probably not taking vuln stacks to begin with.
As opposed to the people who died, who likely had 2-3 on them. I get you're trying to make this sound like I'm saying this is a skill thing, but I just said "normal content isnt hard for anyone". Anyone includes tanks.


Its nothing about talent to me, I queued for a thing and I'm going to do it. In turn I see no reason why you dictate how other players play the game due to ineptitude at normal mode mechanics.
I'll give you that Tanks are overkitted for normal content, but so are healers. And DPS aren't even tested in normal content.

Vuln stacks not mattering to tank is just how the game is to me, I'll avoid attacks that are actually lethal, and stand in the ones that give some form of benefit such as uptime.
I doubt they're in a rush to make the game actually hard for anyone at this level.

The point is you aren’t alive and the party is dead because you are more talented than anyone else, you are alive and the rest of the party is dead because you have a limitless margin for error while the rest of the party doesn’t

The whole “just don’t die like me” is basically “you are barely allowed to make more than one mistake while I can make 17 concurrent mistakes because of my bloated defensives but if you make 2 mistakes and die while I make 15 and survive it’s obviously because I’m more talented than you”

So I’ll say again the “just don’t die” mantra is rich coming from the role that is physically unable to die

[Xuled]

no and not because it isn't a good idea. it is. but because we already have people complaining msq solo duties are too hard LMAO

[Kaurhz]

I think there are better ways to accomplish some of the issues as opposed to enrages.

The problem with an enrage is that they would need to be so permissible to where it wouldn't actually matter unless people started dying in the first 20% of the boss if I am honest.

On the note of tanks soloing things. If we're going to completely ignore that in a lot of cases DPS lack the necessary self-sustain to survive bosses for an extended period without a healer, then frankly, if the DPS die whilst doing what they can do to survive, then IMO, tanks have partly failed in their job. They have enough self-sustain to accommodate for themselves and at least 1-2 additional party members.

So IMO, there are some tanks that absolutely aren't so bothered with trying to make sure the duty goes along smoothly as much as they're interested in trying to play god.

[Plumerian_Ariadust]

Let's be honest, normal content really isn't difficult the first time you run it, and a lot of what I see healers complaining about could be solved with "and then the boss enraged." So let's brainstorm some QoL changes to help our healer friends out.

It doesn't even need to be a hard enrage. Perhaps every time a boss loops back on its mechanics to cycle through again it gets a damage up. Or it could just be a simple timer that accounts for things like player deaths etc to make it fair for less experienced players, players with accessibility issues, or players who are leveling classes they can't play (I hate blm reeeeee but I gotta level it). Additionally, it could body check and when it sees that fewer than 3 players have been alive for a minute, an enrage procs. Lots of solutions here that won't affect players w/ accessibility issues.

I haven't been in a situation where I've seen a tank solo a boss down from full or whatever, but it seems like an enrage would fix that. Thoughts?

Absolutely not.
Why do i as a tank who did things correctly get punished for my party's failure to execute simple mechanics and incompetence?

[Supersnow845]

Absolutely not.
Why do i as a tank who did things correctly get punished for my party's failure to execute simple mechanics and incompetence?

Because in 9999 out of 10000 of these situations the tank wasn’t a flawless god with incompetent party members they were shielded from dying to something that would kill anyone else because of their ridiculous defensive capabilities

If every avoidable hit in the game gave twice come ruin we’d see how “talented” tanks are over the other roles

[FuwafuwaMii]

Skill and job perks aside, dragging out a fight to 20+ min that could just be restarted and done in 5 minutes is just rude and inconsiderate and smells of main character syndrome.

[royox]

I would agree with some soft enrages. Like as a way to show to the party that something is not working in the dps department. The boss becoming "red" and dealing more damage, or the classic "wide room unavoidable damage" that every boss does, I would make them to do 1 or 2 more casts in a row EVERY TIME the party reaches that phase (Like Nidhogg's Ahk Morns).

[Karious]

The point is you aren’t alive and the party is dead because you are more talented than anyone else, you are alive and the rest of the party is dead because you have a limitless margin for error while the rest of the party doesn’t

The whole “just don’t die like me” is basically “you are barely allowed to make more than one mistake while I can make 17 concurrent mistakes because of my bloated defensives but if you make 2 mistakes and die while I make 15 and survive it’s obviously because I’m more talented than you”

So I’ll say again the “just don’t die” mantra is rich coming from the role that is physically unable to die

Why is your argument so centered on the tank making mistakes? What if they don't make mistakes? They get zero vuln stacks and you're still dead.