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  1. #111
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwadTheFrog View Post
    Correct...ish. Ancestry, not naturalized. And it's not not a Puerto Rican accent. It's an attempt at a weird amalgamation of of Brazillian and I want to say Chilean accent that forms a hilariously racist and extremely fake accent.

    Unless, of course, you're saying people are born with accents and that it's a biological factor? God, I /hope/ you're saying that.
    Why would I think people are born with accents, and what do you know about her exactly? There’s very very little info out there. You assuredly don’t know who her parents are, and what their accents are like. Why are you gatekeeping the heritage of someone else?
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  2. #112
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwadTheFrog View Post
    I've literally never cared about these things, but Wuk's voice is so bad and infact indeed, /racist/, by using the generic intonations witH T, H and R that nobody actually uses when speaking native spanish or portuguese. It ain't terminally online. It's a fact. You're either not actually from SA, or a bit delusional my dude. Combo that with the only food being tacos and all represented cultures being monocultures with no variation, and - again, you're either not actually from South America and just trying to do a funny gotcha, or you're delusional.
    Quote Originally Posted by SwadTheFrog View Post
    Correct...ish. Ancestry, not naturalized. And it's not not a Puerto Rican accent. It's an attempt at a weird amalgamation of of Brazillian and I want to say Chilean accent that forms a hilariously racist and extremely fake accent.

    Unless, of course, you're saying people are born with accents and that it's a biological factor? God, I /hope/ you're saying that.
    The accent is closer to Spaniard / Cuban / Mexican than any other Hispanic culture. Tacos were one food featured in one local of the expansion and it just so happens tacos (of different forms) are very popular among majority of hispanic cultures and cuisine. That is quite literally the safest food option if I had to chose any one thing that has graced every culture equally. To say otherwise is outright disingenuous.

    Beyond that, we can agree to disagree but yeah it's terminally online behavior. First, you take real life and are trying to overly transpose that to a video game. Literally complaining that tacos being a feature is "racist" or stereotypical and not "representation" or whatever bs you convinced your head canon tural should be. Ultimately, Tural is NOT any of these real life locations, so trying evaluate it as such or perpetuate perception onto it is terminally online main character syndrome in full swing. It's not your world to build, it doesnt live off your beliefs either. At best, hispanic cultures are an influence and that's about it. It's not meant to be a 1 to 1.
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    Last edited by Havenchild; 08-05-2024 at 12:29 PM.

  3. #113
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    They don't even speak Spanish, nor grew up around Spanish speaking people by their own admission. The accent is fake.
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  4. #114
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    She did great, she sounded like a kitten cat. I'd advise square enix to examine very closely at who exactly is giving feedback and the value of that feedback. The same crowd that didn't like Black Panther; film that broke records every day, are about the same type of people arguing about accents.

    Hien
    This is a good asian accent?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9i8W5AdTBE

    This is what I hear around me instead
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88taZVB-zNQ
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  5. #115
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karious View Post
    They don't even speak Spanish, nor grew up around Spanish speaking people by their own admission. The accent is fake.
    Link to this? I couldn’t find anything other than a tweet saying her dad’s side of the family is Puerto Rican. She’s careful about what roles she accepts because she doesn’t want to take work from other Latino VA’s and usually only takes trans or nb roles because she says she’s the “whitest latino” and recognizes the privilege. Most of this discussion is pretty dumb though because last I checked, the character Wuk Lamat is *checks notes* a cat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rekh View Post
    Hien
    This is a good asian accent?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9i8W5AdTBE

    This is what I hear around me instead
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88taZVB-zNQ
    I know you just go around throwing flimsy baits but this time, I'll bite.

    The VA for Hien was doing a great job because he pronounced Japanese names accurately, meaning, with the accented syllable being the first one.

    Using the words of a Chinese born actor to try to say that Hien's VA pronunciation of Japanese names it's "offensive", while ignoring the intonation of both languages it's completely different because they are two completely different languages, kind of makes this particular bait even weaker than usual.

    On the other hand, we south americans, can indeed pronounce the sound of "ph". When I say "Sphene", it doesn't sound like "Speen".
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  7. #117
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rekh View Post
    She did great, she sounded like a kitten cat. I'd advise square enix to examine very closely at who exactly is giving feedback and the value of that feedback. The same crowd that didn't like Black Panther; film that broke records every day, are about the same type of people arguing about accents.

    Hien
    This is a good asian accent?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9i8W5AdTBE

    This is what I hear around me instead
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88taZVB-zNQ
    If a kitty cat sounds like Kermit the frog, sure.
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  8. #118
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheapshot View Post
    Link to this? I couldn’t find anything other than a tweet saying her dad’s side of the family is Puerto Rican. She’s careful about what roles she accepts because she doesn’t want to take work from other Latino VA’s and usually only takes trans or nb roles because she says she’s the “whitest latino” and recognizes the privilege. Most of this discussion is pretty dumb though because last I checked, the character Wuk Lamat is *checks notes* a cat.
    I will dig through my archive of tweets to find the link you require. I'll also find the one where she refers to herself as a white woman instead of Latina. Maybe I'll even grab the one where she says that trans folx should only voice trans characters and cis folx should only voice cis characters and they should step down if otherwise.
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  9. #119
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midare View Post
    I know you just go around throwing flimsy baits but this time, I'll bite.

    The VA for Hien was doing a great job because he pronounced Japanese names accurately, meaning, with the accented syllable being the first one.

    Using the words of a Chinese born actor to try to say that Hien's VA pronunciation of Japanese names it's "offensive", while ignoring the intonation of both languages it's completely different because they are two completely different languages, kind of makes this particular bait even weaker than usual.

    On the other hand, we south americans, can indeed pronounce the sound of "ph". When I say "Sphene", it doesn't sound like "Speen".
    I'll flip the table on you. What hispanic nationality is Wuk Lamat? What hispanic nationality accent are you looking for from her english voice actress?
    Furthermore, pronouncing the names alone does not make your accent authentically asian.
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  10. #120
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karious View Post
    I will dig through my archive of tweets to find the link you require. I'll also find the one where she refers to herself as a white woman instead of Latina. Maybe I'll even grab the one where she says that trans folx should only voice trans characters and cis folx should only voice cis characters and they should step down if otherwise.
    Why do you have an archive of tweets and why am I even responding to people in here? I just wanted to leave some kind words for someone being harassed. I was naive to think people would be satisfied with the like 8 Wuk bashing threads and leave this one for appreciation as intended. I was naive to think someone trans could voice a cat person without people getting obsessive and weird.
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