Bring Back Kaiten

[HikariKurosawa]

with 7.05 they nerfed the Potencies of SAM to liberate Tsubamegaeshi from Meikyo Shisui which greatly enhanced the Feel of SAM's Gameplay.

Funnily enough, they could do this again! Nerf the Weaponskills once more and give agency to the Player to boost those nerfed Weaponskills with Kenki, how it used to be.

they just did it with Tsubamegaeshi, but I want that they also do it with Kenki itself, since that's how it used to be and what some people will bring back to Samurai.

I, for example rather sit on 20 Kenki to boost my next Weaponskill/Iaijutsu/Ogi (or Enpi, if I feel fancy) instead of sitting on 25 Kenki for Senei because it is ready in like 25 to 10 seconds.. and spend it on Shinten outside..

Can you clarify how it increases player agency to have an ability that is only used to buff the potency of iaijutsu and something that must be used for every single iaijutsu? If you weren't using kaiten for all iaijutsu, you were being suboptimal. If you were using kaiten on any other weaponskill instead of just pressing shinten when you had kenki to spare, you were being suboptimal.

Kaiten was a zero agency ability, so I really want to know why you think it increased player agency in any meaningful way. It's just a different button to press that must be pressed before every iaijutsu usage. Were you just misusing kaiten? It was never a dps gain to use it for anything other than iaijutsu.

Since you suggested you would use kaiten on enpi, I am pretty sure you were just misusing kaiten.

[Unyqua]

Can you clarify how it increases player agency to have an ability that is only used to buff the potency of iaijutsu and something that must be used for every single iaijutsu? If you weren't using kaiten for all iaijutsu, you were being suboptimal. If you were using kaiten on any other weaponskill instead of just pressing shinten when you had kenki to spare, you were being suboptimal.

Kaiten was a zero agency ability, so I really want to know why you think it increased player agency in any meaningful way. It's just a different button to press that must be pressed before every iaijutsu usage. Were you just misusing kaiten? It was never a dps gain to use it for anything other than iaijutsu.

Since you suggested you would use kaiten on enpi, I am pretty sure you were just misusing kaiten.

Why are you even arguing with him. As i see it his issue is not the missing kaiten, but something more deeply rooted.
I doubt that the devs will even listen to him at all. ;D

[RyuuZero]

Can you clarify how it increases player agency to have an ability that is only used to buff the potency of iaijutsu and something that must be used for every single iaijutsu? If you weren't using kaiten for all iaijutsu, you were being suboptimal. If you were using kaiten on any other weaponskill instead of just pressing shinten when you had kenki to spare, you were being suboptimal.

Yes! because you have to make sure to have enough Kenki to boost the necessary Skills to dish out serious damage.
20 Kenki for a Potency Boost instead of 25 Kenki for an Attack and It's not true, you also boosted Ogi with Kaiten. Kaiten enabled you to boost All Weaponskills

Kaiten was a zero agency ability, so I really want to know why you think it increased player agency in any meaningful way. It's just a different button to press that must be pressed before every iaijutsu usage. Were you just misusing kaiten? It was never a dps gain to use it for anything other than iaijutsu.

..and your takes (like that) on this forum are zero iq! but okay I'll explain how Kaiten gave the Player more agency: because they had to press a button to make their skills stronger not unlike Life Surge from Dragoon, with the difference that Kaiten had an entire resource to back it up, the Problem with Life Surge is that it just gives your next weaponskill a crit+life steal but no interaction with the Dragon Gauge. Kaiten on the otherhand introduced Kenki as a Weaponskill boosting resource and that aspect has been lost since 6.1, many Samurai critique that Kenki right now (as of Patch 7.05) still feels useless.

Since you suggested you would use kaiten on enpi, I am pretty sure you were just misusing kaiten.

I didn't suggested to use Kaiten on Enpi, I just aluded the Option, since a Kaiten Buffed Enpi is still stronger than a Normal Enpi!
Hell! You can have your Midare Setsugekka ready, see you don't have enough Kenki for Kaiten, throw 2 Enpi, have enough Kenki for Kaiten, use Kaiten, do Midare Setsugekka, GG!

[RyuuZero]

Why are you even arguing with him. As i see it his issue is not the missing kaiten, but something more deeply rooted.
I doubt that the devs will even listen to him at all. ;D

huh? It's not about me, but the aftereffects of the Kaiten Removal and how it makes Kenki feel useless
which Kaiten's Existence prevented. The Thing is Kenki isn't a Weaponskill boosting resource anymore, you just use it for Shinten effectively which is dull in comparison to the Kenki and Weaponskill Synergy that Kaiten enabled.

[HikariKurosawa]

Iaijutsu, and ogi. So where is the player agency again? You use it for those abilities and if you don't you're misplaying, if you use them for anything else, you're misplaying.

Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you have player agency. You can also use life surge for true thrust on drg. Should you? Is this player agency?

You should never ever be in a position to have midare ready without having enough kenki for kaiten. This 2 enpi for kaiten example honestly makes me feel like you are trolling.

Even the idea of player agency in this game is silly. Rotations are set in stone entirely. Even on RNG based jobs, you don't have player agency. You either misplay or you press the right button in response to the rng condition.

You want player agency? You're playing the wrong game. Player agency will never be part of the discussion in ffxiv. Even when talking about non-standard BLM, it was just a more complicated form of optimal play. There's no player agency in playing less than optimal.

The amount of buzz words you're throwing around in bold text is pretty amusing though. GG!

[RyuuZero]

not necessarily, you see you have to make sure to have enough Kenki to use Kaiten on those big weaponskills. It's about utilizing Kenki's Synergy with Weaponskills to make the most out it. That Aspect has been removed in 6.1 and many want it back!
A current criticism about Samurai is that Kenki feels useless, I wonder why.. Funnily Enough with Tendo, you now can use Meikyo Shisui like Kaiten, but Kenki remains useless :/

Even the idea of player agency in this game is silly. Rotations are set in stone entirely. Even on RNG based jobs, you don't have player agency. You either misplay or you press the right button in response to the rng condition.

You want player agency? You're playing the wrong game. Player agency will never be part of the discussion in ffxiv. Even when talking about non-standard BLM, it was just a more complicated form of optimal play. There's no player agency in playing less than optimal.

okay.. that seems quite nihilistic.. like.. if there is no player agency.. where is the Gameplay then? If there is no Player Agency.. why even play the game? why not just write scripts and macros to enable auto-play? You seem against entire aspects of fun, if you ask me. But you seem busy yourself with stuff since you don't play DRG anymore

and regarding the 2 Enpi, that was meant as a fail safe not trolling, but I can see how your approach of playing video games sees everything remotely indiviual as an Insult.

In the End I want more out of Kenki but the Idea of Shinten.

[RyuuZero]

1.Make Sure your Sen look like this:

2.Your Iaijutsu should look like this:

3.Now press Meikyo Shisui (when it's available):

4.Now your Iaijutsu should look like this:

5.Now press Iaijutsu
*insert image of massive damage*

Now to explain why/how&what it's quite simple, Meikyo Shisui can be used like Kaiten due to the Tendo Boost at lvl100. But Kenki remains still useless. Where I propose the Return of Kaiten as lvl52 Skill that grants the following Weaponskill Direct Hit at the cost of 20 Kenki and an Upgrade with the Tendo Boost at lvl100. Seriously! Kaiten followed by Tendo Setsugekka would look AMAZING! So I want that!

But this is my discovered Samurai Technique. The Reason why I called it Nintendo Setsugekka is because it sounds funny, I mean the Nin of Nintendo Setsugekka stands for the Choice that the Player makes, who decides to press Meikyo when they had Midare Setsugekka ready to use Tendo how they would use Kaiten.

[RyuuZero]

First things First:
Tendo is Kaiten but not really

Kenki is still a useless Shinten Gauge, are you happy?

and Shoha is Geirskogul now... (A Line AoE with no other Option)

Where I have been?
I've been playing Games, also aside FFXIV I beat and 100% FFXVI the Base Game (on my PS5pro, don't worry I skipped on the base PS5 ofc) and tbh.. it would've been better if FFXVI played a bit more like FFXIV but back to the Topic.

The Tsubamegaeshi Change is Good, I'd even consider bargaining unfreezing my Samurai Alts IF: Tsubamegaeshi would be the lvl52 Skill because that would be fun, unlike getting a sleep inducing Shinten Gauge that adds.. 1 OCD every 25 Kenki :/

We should congratulate the Combat Design Team making Job Design so boring that it cure Insomnia but I'm just a Player.. not a Doctor.. so I only can tell from a FFXIV Player Perspective..

but back to Tendo, which btw really helps tricking the Brain of having Fun but again Kenki Remains to be useless since all you spend it on is Shinten But What about Zanshin!? Zanshin costs 50 Kenki, true But it also requires Zanshin Ready granted by Ikishoten, not only soaking up 50 Kenki but making the 50 Kenki Cost redundant because why does it cost 50 Kenki if you can't use it without Zanshin Ready? Inturn: Making Ikishoten your 2 minute Cone AoE Button.. I didn't even needed to rewrite my Ogi Macro for that.. just rewriting the name from Double Slice Buster to Rising Slice Buster

The thing is.. visually they could just used the Kaiten Animation for Tendo because Kaiten in to Tendo Setsugekka LOOKS SO AWESOME!! which is why I think/hope Kaiten coming back not only making the Next Weaponskill Direct Hit but also granting Tendo! I mean Tendo for 20 Kenki? Then we would've meaningful Kenki Interaction again instead of just Shinten.

But in terms of Gameplay Expectations I tuned down my Standards for FFXIV alot, basicly most Warriors Games smoke FFXIV since and before Dawntrail out of the Water, mostly One Piece Pirate Warriors 3&4

[Burmecia]

Finally some real problems!!

[AvoSturmfaust]

Just stop the copium kaiten will never come back.