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  1. #201
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorika View Post
    Yeaaaaaah.... About that.... i'm European so....We have a bit more than only 2 party in my country.... and we don't have a black and white tunnel vision on politics.
    My reply to you still stands and is not affected by your above statements. I in no way referenced North American politics and every country has to organize their society in some form. You have my deepest sympathies for originating from a cesspit of Western collectivist thought.
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  2. 08-04-2024 11:34 AM
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  3. #202
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorito_Burrito View Post
    You have the same angry baby energy as your character does.
    Damn you, now I wanna watch Ciderspider.
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  4. #203
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    Quote Originally Posted by TKOtheKDR View Post
    SE is responsible for injecting politics by basing an entire expansion around a character voiced by someone with severe mental illness, according to the DSM.
    Damn, too bad about all of the voice actors out there struggling with literally any illness in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. Guess this guy thinks actors with incredibly common conditions like depression, anxiety, post traumatic stress disorder, ADHD, autism, and literally any other condition mentioned in the book, shouldn't get jobs as voice actors.

    Get real, Wuk Lamat wasn't good but that's not the actor's fault, it's the writer team's fault. Now you're bringing ableism into it? Weirdo behavior.
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  5. #204
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petroglyph View Post
    It's not gonna get less woke, and if they don't can Hiroi, it's not gonna get better than AO3 tier storytelling either, because all language versions are upset. So if that prospective future isn't up to anyone's taste, hey, I gotta respect anyone that sticks to their guns and leaves. Especially USians. Company and product boycotts only last so long there when the product is one of convenience—at least, they don't last long when you don't have plenty of alternatives. One beer is easily replaced with another, and lucky for OP, one game is just as easily replaced. WoW is probably not in the cards, but I bet ESO will give you what you want. Conan Exiles, maybe, but I'm not sure if it's any good or not. I quit WoW because Shadowlands blew, and the company full chocked with outed sex pests and I haven't gone back, no matter how much "better" some of my friends say it is. May tou find your new home, OP, wherever it is.
    ESO has gay and trans NPCs. They're more inclusive than FFXIV by a long shot. OP should stay tf away from that community too, we don't want him there.
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  6. #205
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1313 View Post
    Let's pretend your opinion on this matters to the corporate suits who control things.
    you think that your opinion on other peoples opinions is going to change how the devs perceive and utilize feedback? you've just cancelled yourself.
    You're a funny one I'll leave it at that.
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  7. #206
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    Quote Originally Posted by TKOtheKDR View Post
    SE is responsible for injecting politics by basing an entire expansion around a character voiced by someone with severe mental illness, according to the DSM. SE even modified the Wuk Lamat character model to not use a female Hrothgar/Xbr'aal model, just like it did for Zero in the previous expansion. Wuk even uses a male weapon pose.
    Being trans hasn't been in the DSM for 12 years. If you're gonna go whine and moan at least actually know what you're talking about.
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  9. #207
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    Quote Originally Posted by victoriate View Post
    Being trans hasn't been in the DSM for 12 years. If you're gonna go whine and moan at least actually know what you're talking about.
    The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) defines gender dysphoria (GD) as clinically significant distress or impairment caused by a mismatch between a person's gender identity and their sex assigned at birth. The diagnosis was introduced in 2013 to replace the previous term, gender identity disorder (GID), in an effort to remove stigma.

    The most current version of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) is the DSM-5-TR, which was published in 2022 by the American Psychiatric Association (APA). The DSM-5-TR is a revision of the 2013 DSM-5 and includes updates and changes based on developments in mental health practice since 2013. It's considered the preferred and most accurate version of the DSM.
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  10. #208
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1313 View Post
    I still need someone to properly explain this whole 'woke' concept to me.
    Wokeness in a simple term to most people is political caving.Things that may be done to appeal to the political correct crowd, but not the crowd in general. So, let's use as an example, you own a company and put out an ad for hires. Let's assume you hired purely off of meritocracy, and for whatever reason, your workforce ended up being 90-95% white and asian. There is a crowd that would complain by default and say flat out that you need more diversity representation because it's not a good look politically to have your company dominated that heavily by that racial composition. They will say that diversity makes your workplace better and give you statistics that support them, and ask you to hire people that didn't meet your initial expectation.

    This can apply to company hirings, this can apply to game features like male and female body representation (female and male stereotypes), script writing like women's rights and misogyny, lgbtq+ representation inside of games, handling/discussing political themes in the game the correct way instead of what you personally want to do or what you think might be the most interesting/give the best shock value. The general concept is normally uplifting minority races and demographics or some other oppressed viewpoint to be more included and represented, but this is often done at the detriment to what the majority demographic asks for or wants. For most people, there has been a shift over the years where this extra representation is flooding everywhere. So imagine as a hetero, cis male that enjoys male on female content, if everytime you saw a commercial, everytime you turned on netflix and watched a movie, every time you played a game, it was always male on male content or female or female content. Some would eventually get irritated and feel that that minority in society is now dominating all of their media and showing things they don't want to see. This is a semi-bad example, but imagine it being like someone with average/normal sexual interests that logs into a porn site and all of sudden, they start getting forcefed deep end extreme kinks/bdsm/taboo kinks often. There's a large demographic that is going to be like "I don't care what you do in your bedroom, but I don't want to see that by default everytime I turn on my screen".

    There are times where inclusion and representation is done well and feels natural, but there are other times where it feels forced to a lot of people. Characters that ppl historically had placed as hetero now being written as lgbtq, race swaps in movies of certain characters, where significant lgbtq romance is shown on screen and doesn't add anything to the story, or when a game diverges from visual stereotypes of a gender mid-way through their series.

    There is a constant fight in media and everything has shifted into a question of "why are you not the same as older media".
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  11. #209
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    Quote Originally Posted by CuteBucket View Post
    Get real, Wuk Lamat wasn't good but that's not the actor's fault, it's the writer team's fault.
    The English VA from what illustrative snippets I heard is not just a character problem, there is a severe problem with the voice acting, the questions that came to my mind were not 'How do I protect this person' or 'How do I vilify others for disliking the performance', nor 'How can I attack this person for their bad performance?' they were 'Who allowed it to be this bad?', 'if the VA was this bad, how did they get through casting? And if not then how was the voice director allowed to fudge the job so thoroughly?' and 'Why was it allowed to be that bad?'

    People have various answers for those questions, some rooted in political beliefs, others in speculation, the actual team have the answers in truth but we'll probably never know them.
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    Last edited by Alice_Rivers; 08-04-2024 at 11:47 AM. Reason: Spelling fail.

  12. #210
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    Quote Originally Posted by TKOtheKDR View Post
    My reply to you still stands and is not affected by your above statements. I in no way referenced North American politics and every country has to organize their society in some form. You have my deepest sympathies for originating from a cesspit of Western collectivist thought.
    But i'm saying i don't live in USA.
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    Last edited by Lorika; 08-04-2024 at 11:46 AM.

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