Just discontinued subscription due to Wuk and increased wokeness across SE corp.

[PercibelTheren]

Exhibit A: Five females, a baby dragon, and another "person" that is drawn ambiguously, most closely resembling a chest-bound non-binary.



Exhibit B: That is not the face of a male. Val's outfit even appears to be designed with what could easily be interpreted to be a chest binder.

Man discovers that anime characters all look the same and man are vaguely androgynous.

Stop trying to make Gamergate 2 happen, it's not going to happen. You guys are absolutely pathetic and honestly, if including people of color and queer characters in games pushes you to leave, good riddance.

[CaptainLagbeard]

Define woke

Woke is multiple things...

But sure, let me point out a few things that are woke.

- The erasure of women from media, and replacing them with "body type B"
- Excessive focus on peoples (both real and fictional) sexuality, gender and race
- Checklists and Quotas for including people of varying combinations of those features, in both real life positions and in media
- The complete destruction of meritocracy
- Racial supremacist ideology

[Boblawblah]

- Racial supremacist ideology

So the Nazis were woke? .....

[Sivante]

Define woke

Can only give my personal definition as it's a colloquial, but -

If being used as perjorative, which it typically is these days, pushing a particular ideology typically left-leaning at the expense of the source material in a fashion that projects, virtue signals, or otherwise confirms as correct without argument a particular moral opinion. See: Propaganda.


I.E., Taking time from a game about decommissioning [bad men with funny mustaches] with a boomstick to discuss the identity and importance of identity of your fellow soldiers while emphasizing a moral leaning as to acceptance of their claims to be the only rational human take. This does not loan itself to the core concept, decommissioning [bad men with funny mustaches] and only takes away from it by inserting something that has no additive value in the center of it.

If something serves to project two sides of an ideological argument on a topic easily, it is not 'woke' in my opinion, it's presenting an argument. It does not become a 'woke' issue until a moral opinion is asserted as the only valid answer, and this must be done at the expense of the core material or it is not 'woke.' A book about accepting the LGBT is not 'woke' either, it's just an ideology people may or may not agree with. Inserting said book into a game about shooting [bad men with funny mustaches] and then taking time aside to point out how it's correct and you should feel bad if you don't agree, would be 'woke.'

Admittedly I use a very narrow definition that requires context. I've been refining it due to the tides of people screaming 'woke' at the arrival of a female protag: it's gotten a bit silly really. I just want to see my silly fantasy game be a silly fantasy game, and not sell parts of itself off to this party or that in a cheap attempt to curry favor.

I enjoy a good argument, debate, or discussion: I do not enjoy the place I go to in order to not think of those things including a one-sided portrayal which then gets self-validated and shames me if I do not agree. I hate it when the more right-leaning groups do similar, it's not somehow excusable when more left leaning parties do it.



All that being said, I still don't see much if any 'woke' in FFXIV to date. When they bring these topics up they tend to give a fair assessment and leave it, rather than shame and otherwise gaslight the player. They are an MMO so a choice must be made, and I don't agree with all of them, but none of them feel necessarily disingenuous to me: just hamfisted at worst.

[Zackneifein]

FFXIV is full of anime / JRPG trope, nowhere near being "woke" whatever it means.

Should I remain everyone that some people attacked Yoshi-P for not FFXVI casting not being diverse enough and he basically responded "Well, I do what I want with my game".

[CaptainLagbeard]

So the Nazis were woke? .....

Let me just point out that someone managed to get main kampf peer reviewed as a feminist publication by simply replacing all mentions of jews into just men.

[Boblawblah]

Let me just point out that someone managed to get main kampf peer reviewed as a feminist publication by simply replacing all mentions of jews into just men.

So the Nazis were woke?

[CaptainLagbeard]

So the Nazis were woke?

Well if you absolutely want a yes or no answer, Yes they were.

[Ramiee]

these threads are great

[Boblawblah]

Well if you absolutely want a yes or no answer, Yes they were.

I have to just quote this for posterity lol