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  1. #111
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    Magikazam's Avatar
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    Omori Oatmeal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus_Mercy View Post
    What is "western wokeness"?
    I would describe it as people in different media who managed to 'industrialise' wokeness. and by wokeness I don't mean like being a decent human being, I mean the type of wokeness an extremist SJW would push. A good exemple would be the next assassin creed game. The series, while having some historical component in it, is heavely based on fiction. like, the over all plot is that two secret organisation of atlhetic time traveller fight over alien artifact to take control of the world. But then they announce their new game and proclaim that it will be grounded in reality, to a point that the game would let people learn about tje accurate history of Sengoku era japan. Then they present the 2 mc of the game and one them is a black samurai who's musical theme is mostly made of a hip hop. So, of course people where quick to point out that the ''historicaly accurate'' part went out the window quite fast. Now this story is long enought so I'll speed thing up a bit, Ubisoft claimed this was accurate cause this characther is Yasuke, an historical figure of japan who was well the first foreigner to become a samurai under Oda nobunaga rules. But turn out all this was a lie spread by a Woke european historian, who went to japan to study there and become a specialist in Japan history. Yasuke, in reality, was a slave. it just that the historian basicly created a theory/fanfiction about the possibility of Yasuke being well, a samurai hero. While he presented it as well, a theory/fanfiction in Japan, he sold his story as accurate historical fact to the western world. Now all this created a dramma where the Japaness gov in involved and probably suing this man soon and most likely restricting the Assassin creed game in japan.

    Alright that was quite long, but what part of this is ''industrialised'' well it simple. Only a diehard fan or lore nerd of the series would have all the context I gave you about that whole thing. Most people who are going to play the game don't care that much about all that. So when those fan point out all of this, the creator can easily pull out the ''You're racist'' cards to deflect any complain about the game or it depiction and for the vast majority of people that all they see. So they create dramma around their game and use that to sell this to casual players all while having a free ''get out of jail'' cards in case the review ain't good or if anyone has any complain about the game really.

    Anyway sorry for the long post. All that to say that um idk why people keep bringing ''wokeness'' into dawntrail. Clearly that ain't the issue with the MSQ and to me it seem that (thankfully) Sweet baby inc didn't touch dawntrail story or whatever people keep claiming.
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  2. #112
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    Nitelancer's Avatar
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    Ponder Nite
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post
    Came to obvious bait thread just to say that Cloud crossdressing was actually just for shits and giggles. You know, for comedy.

    Crossdressing has been in comedy for quite a while, and in the mid-late 90s to the early 2000s even, there were a lot of comedy shows/sketches/events that featured it.
    Just goes to show how long the agenda has been around.
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  3. #113
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    TKOtheKDR's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by OogaShaka View Post
    Noticed you said you played thru enough of DT to notice wokeness , however the character you are posting on is level 90 ...hmmm. Why don't you post on your main....since you quit anyways ......right...
    Nope. This is my main. I stopped playing DT after the first week or two. The last quest I remember doing in DT is the one where you're looking at pillars to ham-fistedly be forcefed exposition regarding the history of the island while dragging Wuk around the city. That was enough to stop my interest in the expansion. Since then, I've just been doing the daily and weekly Gold Saucer and bidding on house plots. The limited time I spent in DT was enough; honestly, just the initial cinematics and gameplay up to arriving at Tuliyollal was enough for me. I'll probably still continue at the Gold Saucer until my subscription ends. (I missed out on the FFXV car during the last event, so at least I'll have a decent amount of GS currency, should I decide to play again after the next expansion is released--buying a DT story skip, of course.)
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    Last edited by TKOtheKDR; 08-04-2024 at 02:07 AM.

  4. #114
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    Dyvid's Avatar
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    Dyvid Pandemonium
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magikazam View Post
    I would describe it as people in different media who managed to 'industrialise' wokeness. and by wokeness I don't mean like being a decent human being, I mean the type of wokeness an extremist SJW would push. A good exemple would be the next assassin creed game. The series, while having some historical component in it, is heavely based on fiction. like, the over all plot is that two secret organisation of atlhetic time traveller fight over alien artifact to take control of the world. But then they announce their new game and proclaim that it will be grounded in reality, to a point that the game would let people learn about tje accurate history of Sengoku era japan. Then they present the 2 mc of the game and one them is a black samurai who's musical theme is mostly made of a hip hop. So, of course people where quick to point out that the ''historicaly accurate'' part went out the window quite fast. Now this story is long enought so I'll speed thing up a bit, Ubisoft claimed this was accurate cause this characther is Yasuke, an historical figure of japan who was well the first foreigner to become a samurai under Oda nobunaga rules. But turn out all this was a lie spread by a Woke european historian, who went to japan to study there and become a specialist in Japan history. Yasuke, in reality, was a slave. it just that the historian basicly created a theory/fanfiction about the possibility of Yasuke being well, a samurai hero. While he presented it as well, a theory/fanfiction in Japan, he sold his story as accurate historical fact to the western world. Now all this created a dramma where the Japaness gov in involved and probably suing this man soon and most likely restricting the Assassin creed game in japan.

    Alright that was quite long, but what part of this is ''industrialised'' well it simple. Only a diehard fan or lore nerd of the series would have all the context I gave you about that whole thing. Most people who are going to play the game don't care that much about all that. So when those fan point out all of this, the creator can easily pull out the ''You're racist'' cards to deflect any complain about the game or it depiction and for the vast majority of people that all they see. So they create dramma around their game and use that to sell this to casual players all while having a free ''get out of jail'' cards in case the review ain't good or if anyone has any complain about the game really.

    Anyway sorry for the long post. All that to say that um idk why people keep bringing ''wokeness'' into dawntrail. Clearly that ain't the issue with the MSQ and to me it seem that (thankfully) Sweet baby inc didn't touch dawntrail story or whatever people keep claiming.
    You forgot one important aspect is that western companies are actively pursuing ways to improve their ESG score to appease investment firms.
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  5. #115
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    WeakestZenosEnjoyer's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by TKOtheKDR View Post
    Nope. This is my main. I stopped playing DT after the first week or two. The last quest I remember doing in DT is the one where you're looking at pillars to ham-fistedly be forcefed exposition regarding the history of the island while dragging Wuk around the city.
    > Show up in new area,
    > Exposition,

    How could the woke mob do this?
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  6. #116
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    Remember when bait use to be believable, Pepperidge Farms remembers.
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  7. #117
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    I’m so sorry that one voice actor out of more than 50 is trans. Truly DEI must be our ruin. Next I’m gonna learn that a Final Fantasy game might contain a feminine looking man or something? I can’t even bear to imagine it! Dang politics suddenly! Woke has finally gone too far!!!! I’m going to return to my comfort games with no politics, like the Metal Gear franchise or Civ.
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  8. #118
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    I am just surprised he got past Ul'dah at all, what with it architecture and the dunesfolk lalas being based on arabia and the middle-east.
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  9. #119
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chasingstars View Post
    I am just surprised he got past Ul'dah at all, what with it architecture and the dunesfolk lalas being based on arabia and the middle-east.
    It’s because in 2013 the alt-right movement didn’t exist.
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  10. #120
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle_Jafar View Post
    It’s because in 2013 the alt-right movement didn’t exist.
    Remember when getting vaccinated wasn't political? I do.
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