Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

[Midare]

You've proved jack shit lmao. If you think harassment comes only from Twitter comment, you have to think more on this my guy.
Hopefully your 20 messages are over soon so you can actually do something else of your day.

So, I'll go ahead and say it, maybe you can understand.

Person grabs a completely unrelated matter, makes it about them, claims harassment and threats and when bringing those up... the only thing shown it's someone criticizing them instead of something that even comes close to what they're claiming.

If the things she's gotten were really nasty, I'd understand not wanting to share it but... the only example shown was just someone calling her delivery flat and emotionless... and everyone should still take her word for it?

I know that even asking it's pointless, of course you think everyone should take her word for it, but if you want to claim the other person didn't prove anything, neither did she.

[Sekundessounet]

So, I'll go ahead and say it, maybe you can understand.

Person grabs a completely unrelated matter, makes it about them, claims harassment and threats and when bringing those up... the only thing shown it's someone criticizing them instead of something that even comes close to what they're claiming.

If the things she's gotten were really nasty, I'd understand not wanting to share it but... the only example shown was just someone calling her delivery flat and emotionless... and everyone should still take her word for it?

I know that even asking it's pointless, of course you think everyone should take her word for it, but if you want to claim the other person didn't prove anything, neither did she.

Matter is not unrelated : it's about transphobia, and she received a lot of transphobia this past month. So she shares her experience with it and a frustration, which I think is fair.
The guy is not just "criticizing them", reread his tweets, he's hopping for her to lose her job over it. Which is already past fair criticism when you wish for someone's livelihood to crumble.
"If the things she's gotten were really nasty, I'd understand not wanting to share it" I mean, she's mentionning threats to herself and harassment to her family. Of course you're not gonna share that, duh.

"I know that even asking it's pointless, of course you think everyone should take her word for it"

Really my guy, get off that high horse with that tone, and don't put words in my mouth.

"but if you want to claim the other person didn't prove anything, neither did she."

On the one hand, we have a dude over-invested in shitting on a voice acting performance that took a screenshot from the thread and rolled with it as uncontestable proof, on the other, we have the voice actor complaining about harassment, and even if we keep it at these forums, we have seen enough weirdos shitting on her as a person and trying to find any justification to keep the shitting going. If you saw these kinds of situations before, you know that there is no interest in claiming to be harassed. Most of the time all it does is Streisand-effect yourself and amplify vitriolic voices and cause more harassment, especially when people will never believe you unless you expose your entire life.
But you're right, she didn't provide a lot of evidence. But by experience, I'm more willing to lean on it being true, because the alternative makes no sense in the real world.

[Midare]

Really my guy, get off that high horse with that tone, and don't put words in my mouth.

I'm not "your guy".

If you care so much that someone calling her delivery flat it's a "phobia" in your book, learn to stop assuming.

Matter is not unrelated : it's about transphobia, and she received a lot of transphobia this past month. So she shares her experience with it and a frustration, which I think is fair.
The guy is not just "criticizing them", reread his tweets, he's hopping for her to lose her job over it. Which is already past fair criticism when you wish for someone's livelihood to crumble.

Literally all they say it's that her delivery was "weak" and criticizing her range, her gender was not mentioned at all. You, and her, are making it about it.
And yeah, imagine that, someone doing a poor job and having an uncertain future at the position they worked for it's life. Just like everyone else, if someone wants to keep their job, they should do a good job, if they can't do that, it's better to find something they're good at, for everyone's sake.

But interestingly enough, she also has said that it's ok for people to ask VAs to step down if they don't fit the role, but hey, I guess it's only ok when she does it for what she considers a good reason?

"If the things she's gotten were really nasty, I'd understand not wanting to share it" I mean, she's mentionning threats to herself and harassment to her family. Of course you're not gonna share that, duh.

So yeah, it boils down to: "She's saying this, thus, it should be true", but sure, I'm putting words in your mouth, my guy.

On the one hand, we have a dude over-invested in shitting on a voice acting performance that took a screenshot from the thread and rolled with it as uncontestable proof, on the other, we have the voice actor complaining about harassment, and even if we keep it at these forums, we have seen enough weirdos shitting on her as a person and trying to find any justification to keep the shitting going..

And you have no way of corroborating if the other person is legitimately going all over the place spreading the word, but alas, you've already shown you accept whatever you read as fact.

And considering all the support I'm seeing over that one tweet she showed... yeah, no one ever would try to fish for that sort of attention. No one, ever.

But anyway. I barely care about the EN voice acting anyway. I do think it's a shame the quality has dropped so bad this xpac because I do watch from time to time people playing through the MSQ and they don't run with the JP voices. Guess I'll wait for the next xpac to watch them again, or catch them when they're not playing through voiced content, and regardless of voice, Poochie is still a bad character anyway.

[BigBoom550]

But interestingly enough, she also has said that it's ok for people to ask VAs to step down if they don't fit the role, but hey, I guess it's only ok when she does it for what she considers a good reason?

This is the big one for me, to be honest.

You can 'not fit a role' for a dozen reasons, and in this case it's just that she can't perform the range necessary to the character. A good VA might have made what is absolute crap writing entertaining- we've all seen things where the actor chews the scenery into bits and it's the best thing in the entire medium- but she wasn't able to. I mean, look at Red Alert 3. The story's pure schlock, but Tim Curry, JK Simmons, and George Takei spend the entire time making the set crew work overtime because they're eating it faster than termites ever could, and it becomes hilarious and fun.

I'd be quiet on it if she hadn't previously pushed for VAs to step down 'if they don't fit the role'. Well, by her own logic, she doesn't fit the role. So... she should step down from it, let someone with the range take over. This isn't even a trans thing, I literally could not care about that. This is about a bad performance, someone criticizing a bad performance, and suddenly the claims she's made before don't apply to her.

I can deal with unapologetic jerks just fine. I get along with them, even. But hypocrites? No. Not dealing with that. I'm going to hold you to the standards you want everyone else held to, hell or high water, and skill at performing the job is the first and ultimate arbitrator as to if you're fit.

To make it clear: I give precisely zero ****s as to what brain is connected to the hands performing open-heart surgery on me as long as that brain knows exactly what the hell it's doing. Sena didn't, she didn't fit the role, she's argued for VAs who don't fit the role to step down.

Well, we're there. Res ipsa loquitur.

[Raven2014]

I'd be quiet on it if she hadn't previously pushed for VAs to step down 'if they don't fit the role'. Well, by her own logic, she doesn't fit the role. So... she should step down from it, let someone with the range take over. This isn't even a trans thing, I literally could not care about that. This is about a bad performance, someone criticizing a bad performance, and suddenly the claims she's made before don't apply to her.

I can deal with unapologetic jerks just fine. I get along with them, even. But hypocrites? No. Not dealing with that. I'm going to hold you to the standards you want everyone else held to, hell or high water, and skill at performing the job is the first and ultimate arbitrator as to if you're fit.

You know how many times I have seen "activists" who openly use aggressive method and language to promote their own belief, upon receive severe backflash will claim "OMG I'm being harassed by weirdo!" ? Every single time.

On principal, of course I'm against any form of harassment or bullying. If I see innocent people get bullied, I believed the victims should be defended and their bullies be brought to justice.

On the other hand, I'm just a normal person who believe in 'cause and effect. So when I see an ex-bully themselves getting bullied ... it's really hard to be a sympathetic even if I want to. Again, rationally do I believe a bully should be bullied in return? No. But asking myself to feel the same for the ex-bully as I would an innocent victim ... I'll be honest my humanity is not on that level.

Just like you, if I have to choose than a straight up honest jerk is much preferable to a hypocrite.

I've been criticizing the VA a lot, but never once I crossed the line.

- I wish the harassment will stop.

- I hope the authority will be able to catch the harasser.

- Buy none of that will stop me from criticizing her performance.

[Midare]

This is the big one for me, to be honest.

You can 'not fit a role' for a dozen reasons, and in this case it's just that she can't perform the range necessary to the character. A good VA might have made what is absolute crap writing entertaining- we've all seen things where the actor chews the scenery into bits and it's the best thing in the entire medium- but she wasn't able to. I mean, look at Red Alert 3. The story's pure schlock, but Tim Curry, JK Simmons, and George Takei spend the entire time making the set crew work overtime because they're eating it faster than termites ever could, and it becomes hilarious and fun.

That's exactly the thing.

My only access to the EN voice over is through content creators and friends playing the game in that language. I'm a weeb, I play the game in japanese. The JP VA has only 9 roles under her belt, but she was putting feeling into the role, it shows, and considering she was next to an industry huge name like Ono Daisuke, she had to or she'd be completely overshadowed (not that Ono didn't kill it because he went all out for Everkeep).

And yet, even from the pre-patch, I was iffy about Wuk Lamat, I liked her dynamic with Erenville but her reaction to the Colobri and subsequent denial was a little meh, but I gave her the benefit of the doubt.

Half way into Heritage Found I was already thinking "ugh shut up Poochie!".

In the pre-patch, I heard her voice in EN and I thought "What in the world is that accent?" since I reacted with instant rejection to it.

And now that my friend is playing through the MSQ and I'm watching it...

That one scene with Galool Ja, my heart was breaking for the boy and I even got on Wuk Lamat's side when she comforted him. Why did it felt so threatening in EN?

I hear every other VA in their role and they fit, even if I also have my questions about how they directed the DT cast because I want to know who told the VA for Koana to go for the Antonio Banderas approach, but Poochie's voice it's like nails on a chalkboard.

And it stands out so awkwardly, that I even noticed that she also voiced the one bunboy (I think his name was Nahee) Erenville stumbles upon in Solution 9 when he starts asking about his mom. When that scene came up, I burst out laughing with the first line and my friend was like "Huh? What is it?" and I told "That's Poochie's VA!", then he heard the next voiceline and he too burst out laughing. I'm still not sure if that was her, but the way it stood out like a sore thumb, I'm at least 90% sure it was her.