How many more times must our Living Dead get griefed?

[Zairava]

What do we want from Square Enix:

1. Raw Intuition to become a tank role ability given to all tanks at level 45.

No we don't, stop acting like you speak for everyone. This is the most uninspired half-assed solution possible makes every single tank infinitely more boring and you are the sole person I have ever seen suggest this in any media

2. Living Dead fixed to be a normal invuln.

It already is a normal invuln, and it's one of the few actions that actually feels unique when playing DRK. It functioning differently than the others doesn't make it any less normal.

you also lose out value on holmgang if you would otherwise not die, would you like to make that Hallowed Ground part 3?

3. TBN reworked

This is at best divisive with many avenues of going about it. Not really going to get into the nitty gritty here, but the issue isn't inherently that it has an MP cost, or even the ability by itself. It's by far the most well designed of the short cd's given that it is relatively potent and actually costs a resource. If you think they aren't going to increase its CD with their track record if they removed it you're naive, which means our defensive kit actually ends up nerfed.

I'm not seeking advice. Someone literally thinks they pay my sub.

It was more of a gag that I would strongly consider it if they did something so half-assed as give every tank raw intuition. That's the most barebones boring thing they could possibly do.

Being a healer doesn't make you some sacred entity who deserves to not even have the word "healer" mentioned in a tank thread. Nobody cares about your healer god complex, which is the only thing most of you have managed to show to everyone who has a normal brain. Good job on exposing yourselves. If you want to consider this a bait thread because of that being what you've done to yourself, then by all means, do so.

Healers aren't out to grief us when we use LD, they're trying to keep us alive and they're reacting because our health got that low to begin with. Get over your victim complex.

Oh no, the healer healed me and now my LD wore off. I might die, oh well. Shit happens. The worst is that the party wipes and you pull again, it's not a big deal.

There are healers involved in trinity based gameplay, and we should need to be healed to stay alive. What in the hell would be the point of having them otherwise?

[AnjouMaaka]

No we don't, stop acting like you speak for everyone. This is the most uninspired half-assed solution possible makes every single tank infinitely more boring and you are the sole person I have ever seen suggest this in any media

Oh no, what are you going to do because of someone trying to speak on behalf of all dark knights?

Congrats on being on of the lucky few dark knight mains who hardly sees the problems I've witnessed with my own eyes. That doesn't make my experience any less true. Square Enix's track record is one of homogenization, which I'm all in on. I want more of it. The simpler the job is, the easier it is to pay attention to the boss mechanics. It's that simple. The stopping point on homogenization would be the level of simplicity that is warrior. Giving all tanks Raw Intuition does not make them overpowered. Raw Intuition is a 25s cooldown that lasts for 8s. You are still going to need something else during the other 17s of that cooldown. Raw Intuition by itself is a perfectly balanced ability. It should be on all tanks. Surprisingly enough, there are still warriors out there that don't even know they have Raw Intuition. I see healers complain about it a lot in Limsa shout chat.

Unfortunately, warrior is a job I burned myself out on during Endwalker. The other two tanks have gameplay that, to me, feels convoluted and obnoxious to play. I can play them effectively in normal content, but that's where my skill level ends with gunbreaker and paladin. I shouldn't have to unlock Bozja and do that to level an alt just because of how bad the dungeon experience is for the dark knight.

The healers would still have their gameplay. Plenty of "bad tanks" in the duty finder for their solo queue. The job balance is designed around raids. The dungeon experience for dark knight is honestly a worse problem than healers not having anything to heal, and deserves far more attention.

[AnjouMaaka]

Healers aren't out to grief us when we use LD, they're trying to keep us alive and they're reacting because our health got that low to begin with. Get over your victim complex.

Completely out of context. If I had a victim complex, I wouldn't be bringing a major problem forward to the light of day. I would also not be the only dark knight I've seen have trouble getting healed in dungeons. I am speaking for not only myself, but all those I've seen die of cringe because the healer couldn't handle 2 mob packs in a dungeon. The healer's skill issue is not my problem. If they can't do the bare minimum requirement of the job they signed up for, they shouldn't be playing the job. That is a harsh truth of it. They are choosing to risk griefing a dark knight by solo queuing into dungeons as a healer with no knowledge of how to heal. They could look up a guide on youtube, but instead, they can't put aside their pride and admit to themselves that they don't know what they are doing. And if you so much as try to help them learn, they don't want your advice. You want to know why I don't speak via the in-game chat, there you go. They will literally report you for harassment when all you are doing is trying to help. That's a major problem that only adds to the negativity of the dark knight dungeon experience.

[Zairava]

Oh no, what are you going to do because of someone trying to speak on behalf of all dark knights?

You're the one here rambling about healers healing through living dead which is a complete non-issue and can be resolved by literally just communicating it to them if they are unaware. A simple "Hey, if you didn't know already I need to "die" for living dead to activate, it's Dark Knight's invuln" will suffice.

Congrats on being on of the lucky few dark knight mains who hardly sees the problems I've witnessed with my own eyes. That doesn't make my experience any less true. Square Enix's track record is one of homogenization, which I'm all in on. I want more of it. The simpler the job is, the easier it is to pay attention to the boss mechanics. It's that simple. The stopping point on homogenization would be the level of simplicity that is warrior. Giving all tanks Raw Intuition does not make them overpowered. Raw Intuition is a 25s cooldown that lasts for 8s. You are still going to need something else during the other 17s of that cooldown. Raw Intuition by itself is a perfectly balanced ability. It should be on all tanks. Surprisingly enough, there are still warriors out there that don't even know they have Raw Intuition. I see healers complain about it a lot in Limsa shout chat.

For every one person like you there's a growing population of people who are sick of the homogenization and simplifications. We're already homogenized enough. If you got your way why even bother having different jobs at that point?

Raw intuition/Bloodwhetting is only balanced in 8-man settings. It being balanced in dungeon content would be that one heal per gcd was enforced or it reverts back to a portion of damage dealt like its Shadowbringers counterpart.

If Warriors can't even learn an ability that appears on their hotbar when they unlock it then making it a role actions would help exactly 0% because they had no intentions on recognizing its existence without an outside source telling them it did anyway. You're making every other tank more braindead because of a minority of players

The other two tanks have gameplay that, to me, feels convoluted and obnoxious to play. I can play them effectively in normal content, but that's where my skill level ends with gunbreaker and paladin.

and that's fine? You recognize your skill level and where it ends, you don't need to bring everyone else down to your level. You don't see me demanding healers be even more lobotomized because I won't take them into anything but casual content you queue for.

I shouldn't have to unlock Bozja and do that to level an alt just because of how bad the dungeon experience is for the dark knight.

This is a skill issue, genuinely. You don't need to like hearing that but it is. Dark Knight performs well in dungeons, its sustain hardly even needs buffing. At most un-linking C&S and bringing AD down to a 30s CD would do the trick.

The healers would still have their gameplay. Plenty of "bad tanks" in the duty finder for their solo queue. The job balance is designed around raids. The dungeon experience for dark knight is honestly a worse problem than healers not having anything to heal, and deserves far more attention.

what gameplay? spamming a single damage spell? lmao

also you seriously believe the non-issue on one tank warrants is worse and warrants more attention than an entire role be completely invalidated in content most of the playerbase is going to interact with? Yikes

The healer's skill issue is not my problem. If they can't do the bare minimum requirement of the job they signed up for, they shouldn't be playing the job. That is a harsh truth of it. They are choosing to risk griefing a dark knight by solo queuing into dungeons as a healer with no knowledge of how to heal.

Yeah, and I agree if they refuse to do the bare minimum of their job they shouldn't be playing it. However...this does not apply to the healers genuinely trying to keep you alive. They are doing the bare minimum of their job if they're healing you whether or not they let LD pop. The sole reason I don't have Living Dead macro'd to let the healer know I'm under LD is because of clipping. And even then...a better solution would be to just implement an indicator or an aura when Living Dead is active, upon activation. Like the flames that spur out around you but instead they persist, even when the healer has the animation filter on limited.

They could look up a guide on youtube, but instead, they can't put aside their pride and admit to themselves that they don't know what they are doing. And if you so much as try to help them learn, they don't want your advice. You want to know why I don't speak via the in-game chat, there you go. They will literally report you for harassment when all you are doing is trying to help. That's a major problem that only adds to the negativity of the dark knight dungeon experience.

While I have heard from others this has happened, very, very few of them were about DRK. In the time I've been playing not once have I interacted with a healer who acted toxic when I politely explained LD. And the amount of encounters I've had to actually do so is a small amount.