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    I liked that they made it clearer for some people that PCT was always designed to compete with melee and BLM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rewd View Post
    I liked that they made it clearer for some people that PCT was always designed to compete with melee and BLM.
    I don't mind it competing but it's blowing all of them out of the water--like what's the point of BLM for any serious progression group with PCT's damage and utility are both vastly superior? The BLM changes are nice but I'll be pleasantly surprised if it even makes a "competition" with Pictomancer.

    We're supposed to be Black Mages, not Bench Mages.

    On the off chance the patch changes actually did something worth a damn, it'll be kinda refreshing to see casters reigning over melee after three friggin years tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Basteala View Post
    I don't mind it competing but it's blowing all of them out of the water--like what's the point of BLM for any serious progression group with PCT's damage and utility are both vastly superior? The BLM changes are nice but I'll be pleasantly surprised if it even makes a "competition" with Pictomancer.

    We're supposed to be Black Mages, not Bench Mages.

    On the off chance the patch changes actually did something worth a damn, it'll be kinda refreshing to see casters reigning over melee after three friggin years tho.
    It’s not blowing them out of the water that’s the entire point

    For anything between 0 and 93 percentile it’s weaker than the melees

    You need to look at more than the gold parse
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    It’s not blowing them out of the water that’s the entire point

    For anything between 0 and 93 percentile it’s weaker than the melees

    You need to look at more than the gold parse
    Gold parses are 100th percentile. 94%-99% - the range you listed - is still a fairly sizeable range.
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    RIP Viper 28/06/2024 - 30/07/2024. It was a fun month.

    Given the opportunity, developers will polish the fun out of a game.

  5. #235
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhael View Post
    Gold parses are 100th percentile. 94%-99% - the range you listed - is still a fairly sizeable range.
    Yes it’s first in the 94-99 range but only by fractions of a percent

    People are like “OHMYGODITSFIRSTBYTHREEWHOLEPERCENT” based on the outlier gold parse, it’s no unbalanced anywhere else
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  6. #236
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    Quote Originally Posted by Basteala View Post
    I don't mind it competing but it's blowing all of them out of the water--like what's the point of BLM for any serious progression group with PCT's damage and utility are both vastly superior? The BLM changes are nice but I'll be pleasantly surprised if it even makes a "competition" with Pictomancer.

    We're supposed to be Black Mages, not Bench Mages.

    On the off chance the patch changes actually did something worth a damn, it'll be kinda refreshing to see casters reigning over melee after three friggin years tho.
    The big elephant in the room is still caster raise. If you make BLM significantly stronger than PCT, you also have to make PCT significantly stronger than RDM and at the point the gap would be too large (and they specifically stated this patch that they want to reduce the gap between jobs).

    The buffs to BLM are not enough to overtake PCT (or even match it from what I know), but the problem with this is that the buffs are not enough, not that they didn't nerf PCT. They could nerf PCT but then both casters would likely be worse than melee which is not where they should be and it's not where the devs think they should be either.
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    I knew they weren’t gonna nerf PCT. Glad the devs are standing ten toes down on this. PCT was competing with melee and blm. Always was. Not sure why the player base is calling for its nerf. PCT has long cast times (Painting) and they don’t have sustained high damage like melee/blm. Once PCT burst is over their damage goes down until their burst comes back up.

    How did no one else see this? I’m completely shocked.
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    Quickcast exist also they have a raid buff, BLM doesn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LucienFaust View Post
    Quickcast exist also they have a raid buff, BLM doesn't.
    A raid buff is just damage, PCT’s damage factors in it raid buff
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    The lack of changes to Pictomancer is weird. it feels like they are waiting to see if it is actually overperforming in content that is level relevant.
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    Last edited by Jason_Ashford; 07-30-2024 at 07:04 PM.

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