Buying an EX Mount for 99 totems right away instead of waiting 8 months...

[Kuroka]

Why do developers punish unlucky players?
Why do some spend 10 minutes and get a mount, while others spend 17 hours (not counting waiting for PF, entry, etc.), and some even more time to make 99 totems.

And on many cases its the one player that literally got his butt dragged through the fight lol

It just hurts, the joy stops around the 50-60th kill for me... the mount its tainted and feels sour for ever after having to buy it... had too many i REALLY wanted but after 160+ Suzaku runs i just gave up and set my limit to 100 kills + how ever many more i need to get my needed weapons - yes before the coffers i managed to be that unlucky i didnt even get all weapons after 100+ kills lol...

Id be all in for having the mount from an 100 kill Achievement.

Ive said it before, some very few to the hell grind till 500+ kills, some give up midway, some just dont even try.

Back during heavensward i was very unlucky and had to buy many and SB had me buy every mount from Susanoo onward, only titania showed some mercy at 74 kills... way later i was having really fun with emerald, having 3 drops within my first 10 kills, rolling 90+ on each... and gettin beat by at least 2 ppl on each of em... took really all the joy.

And to add insult to the injury they added those mounts to mogtome...


Endwalker ive had another batch of mounts i had to buy, but at least the fights dropped two tokken. still gettin Bahamut months later just because i was Unlucky on zeromus hurt... at the very least the last one should be available before that quest is unlocked.



And personally... my goal is to clear those trials within a week of their release, i like the challenge, its fun when its new and you can go in blind... doing it several patches later is just... frustrating, i cant bear melting those trials.

[Maltothoris]

If you want my hon est opinion, they shoudl be unlocked in the x.x5 in the patch after the trial was introduced. Like for these two it would 7.15 instead of 7.2

[Andevom]

If you want my hon est opinion, they shoudl be unlocked in the x.x5 in the patch after the trial was introduced. Like for these two it would 7.15 instead of 7.2

I can see this being a more reasonable ask.

I think unlocking it right off the gate is a mistake and would kill interest in the content way too soon after release.

[SekiaTa1ga]

What prestige do you gain by having a random number generator give you a higher number than 7 other people? What did you accomplish that means you deserve more tangible recognition for your efforts than those 7 other people?
I’m genuinely interested in understanding your viewpoint, if you can explain the logic behind it.

Of owning something that most people don't have obviously. Why do you think people value are things in real life that are seen as uncommon or rare, it's exactly applicable to this. What a ridiculous question lol. It has nothing to to with 'recognition for effort.' That already exists in the game as well as it should. It doesn't mean rare drops shouldn't exist; even better when they're both combined.

[GTK0HLK]

Of owning something that most people don't have obviously. Why do you think people value are things in real life that are seen as uncommon or rare, it's exactly applicable to this. What a ridiculous question lol. It has nothing to to with 'recognition for effort.' That already exists in the game as well as it should. It doesn't mean rare drops shouldn't exist; even better when they're both combined.

Except this isn't real life. Real Life has already enough time demanding things. and no everyone has time to farm. (Same bs with Fomo, DCTravel killing Hunts of the less populated homeworlds. or The fact that PVP items have yet to return-let alone the bs, demands for t100. Rather than a ranked bp and improving the content/duty.)

There is no gain in exclusivity, more so when you know the exclusivity is fabricated.

It doesn't even benefit the game long term. as noted by players here who just go by the waiting now instead of actually running the content.
(It just Dies once more and more people get theirs and others tire out. Making the game less entertaining and fun. rather than any sense of achievement.)

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As for those who ask for Totem removal. that just exacerbates the situation. Some get item, they no longer queue and ditch.

Less players filling the queues/pf, increasing fatigue. so alot will just wait till it unlocks or becomes unsync able.

What is the outcome of that?

oh idk, ever so quickly abandoned content.

[Heavenchild]

I just don't waste my time with that. I am waiting for wingmounts for years. But I don't want to waste my time with pointless EX farms with under 5% droprate.

I was never a fan of such artificial scarcity. The droprate should be 30% minimum. I wonder..., how is everything below respecting their players time?

[SekiaTa1ga]

Except this isn't real life. Real Life has already enough time demanding things. and no everyone has time to farm. (Same bs with Fomo, DCTravel killing Hunts of the less populated homeworlds. or The fact that PVP items have yet to return-let alone the bs, demands for t100. Rather than a ranked bp and improving the content/duty.)

There is no gain in exclusivity, more so when you know the exclusivity is fabricated.

It doesn't even benefit the game long term. as noted by players here who just go by the waiting now instead of actually running the content.
(It just Dies once more and more people get theirs and others tire out. Making the game less entertaining and fun. rather than any sense of achievement.)

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As for those who ask for Totem removal. that just exacerbates the situation. Some get item, they no longer queue and ditch.

Less players filling the queues/pf, increasing fatigue. so alot will just wait till it unlocks or becomes unsync able.

What is the outcome of that?

oh idk, ever so quickly abandoned content.

Yeah but, I fundamentally don't care because I don't think everyone has a right to every item in the game anyways. Not everything needs to be farmable and equally acquirable. Diversity is much more interesting than equal accessibility in how items are acquired and FFXIV is already more than generous on this front.

FFXIV already has one of the most boring loot systems out of pretty much any other MMO and opinions like this only serve to make it way worse. The crazy thing people don't realize is these kinds of opinions are microcosms/derivative of almost everything wrong with this game right down to the dull itemization, all DPS feeling the same, tanks/healers lacking diversity etc etc. All of it done in the name of balance and fairness.

[lonecakeman]

I mean you are punished enough already if you have to do the fight 99 times but then having to wait half a Year is just over the top. Was like this for me with the Zodiark EX Mount.

i just completed 99 totem for both EX trial and i can't agree more than that, it feel so unfair and unrewarding.
SE really need to change those weird unhealthy design choices.

[Innio]

When you have been going through EX at the start for more than 5 years, when it is relevant. And during these years you buy mounts for 99 totems of lvl 80/90/100 EX. When out of these 16 mounts you only get 2 with the help of Gacha, and you buy the remaining 14 for totems 8 months later = it is not fun. Not fun at all. I like to go through difficult content, I like to get things that I spent a lot of time and effort on (I closed some EX more than 200+ runs). The same example Criterion, it is the same difficult content as EX. But for some reason I was able to get a mount from there with my bad luck, because there you are guaranteed to get it in 25 runs. Yes, I will get only 1 mount, others may be lucky to get it from the chest. BUT you did it, spent time, effort .. and got it. And don't drag other MMOs into this, we play this game, not some other one.
If you say that we need to remove 100% item drop completely. Then let's also remove 100% totem drop from Ultimate or make 1 totem for 8 people per playthrough. Or drop 1 chest with one item in Savage per week without additional books.
Then the game will turn into a second job on which you will most likely need to spend all your time (most likely even quit your job in IRL and completely forget about IRL) in order to get at least something in the game. THIS is absurd.
People play to relax, to distract themselves from work and problems to get the long-awaited item on which they spent time and effort. And not to come home from work and once again fall into despondency from bad luck gacha...

[AlysCamoa]

I see. So from the two replies I got, I gather that the prestige comes from no achievement accomplished by oneself, but rather by sheer luck combined with the misfortune of others conferring some sort of prestige through sheer rarity.
I can only assume this is the sort of mindset that gambling addicts have.