Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

[Daralii]

Honestly, bar wuk lamat, my biggest issue with the story is that it all felt incredibly childish like babies first final fantasy. Everything is solved by the power of friendship, there's absolutely no real conflict between cultures that were at war not too long ago, and even when it gets a bit darker like Erenvilles mum it's just brushed aside. They said it'd be on the level of arr but even that was more interesting and far darker. Arr had murder, conflict, kidnapping, Edda, the garlan empire, Nanamo being poisoned, Rabahn going ape shit and killing lalas. What did Dawntrail have other than Wuk Lamat, tacos, and the power of friendship?

edit: sorry if this isn't the right thread for this but I just needed to vent really.

I think a lot of people forget about things like the massacre at the Waking Sands when they think back to 2.0.

[Voidmage]

I think a lot of people forget about things like the massacre at the Waking Sands when they think back to 2.0.

That and people always forget that ARR showed us how deadly adventuring can be with the adventurers dying in the first dungeons.
There is also the whole thing with the elementals in Gridania or the poor people right infront of Ul'dah.

There was so much grity stuff in ARR, DT should be ashamed of itself because it's a completely unrealistic world.

[BabySneed]

That and people always forget that ARR showed us how deadly adventuring can be with the adventurers dying in the first dungeons.
There is also the whole thing with the elementals in Gridania or the poor people right infront of Ul'dah.

There was so much grity stuff in ARR, DT should be ashamed of itself because it's a completely unrealistic world.

This stuff about rubber bullets and general 4kids-esque softening of the lore in Dawntrail reminds me of the one Simpsons episode where Marge forces the Itchy & Scratchy writers to remove all the violence, conflict and edge because it's a bad influence, resulting in a completely substanceless episode made to be as inoffensive and safe as possible, that appeals to absolutely nobody besides people who didn't like the show to begin with
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozWpY6Cn67Y
First Poochie now this, truly The Simpsons has predicted Dawntrail once again

[Daralii]

This stuff about rubber bullets and general 4kids-esque softening of the lore in Dawntrail reminds me of the one Simpsons episode where Marge forces the Itchy & Scratchy writers to remove all the violence, conflict and edge because it's a bad influence, resulting in a completely substanceless episode made to be as inoffensive and safe as possible, that appeals to absolutely nobody besides people who didn't like the show to begin with
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozWpY6Cn67Y
First Poochie now this, truly The Simpsons has predicted Dawntrail once again

When they were trimming the fat from ARR, did they get rid of that one line in La Noscea(I think Aleport or Moraby) that described the water as "colder than a dead whore's crotch"? If not, it's some funny contrast.

[Vyrerus]

This stuff about rubber bullets and general 4kids-esque softening of the lore in Dawntrail reminds me of the one Simpsons episode where Marge forces the Itchy & Scratchy writers to remove all the violence, conflict and edge because it's a bad influence, resulting in a completely substanceless episode made to be as inoffensive and safe as possible, that appeals to absolutely nobody besides people who didn't like the show to begin with
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozWpY6Cn67Y
First Poochie now this, truly The Simpsons has predicted Dawntrail once again

Now we just need the Simpsons episode where someone else comes to Springfield and pretends like they made/own the characters, for when the FFXI 24 man comes out, and FFXIV tries to act like it's just a shard of Etheirys.

[Bright-Flower]

Now we just need the Simpsons episode where someone else comes to Springfield and pretends like they made/own the characters, for when the FFXI 24 man comes out, and FFXIV tries to act like it's just a shard of Etheirys.

That's not going to happen.

They might work their own version of FFXI into FFXIV lore like they did with Ivalice, Doma etc, but they're not going to come out and say 'FF XI was actually one of our reflections all along.'

[All_Nonsense]

That's not going to happen.

They might work their own version of FFXI into FFXIV lore like they did with Ivalice, Doma etc, but they're not going to come out and say 'FF XI was actually one of our reflections all along.'

idk, I don't trust the writing team not to do that atm. Of course it sounds like a ridiculous premise that would never be allowed to happen, but DT would have been called the same if you'd told most people about it 6 months ago instead of how it was advertised as a fun and relaxing vacation.

[Bright-Flower]

idk, I don't trust the writing team not to do that atm. Of course it sounds like a ridiculous premise that would never be allowed to happen, but DT would have been called the same if you'd told most people about it 6 months ago instead of how it was advertised as a fun and relaxing vacation.

DT has writing character writing problems sure, but the base premise of the expansion is fine. Also they called it a summer vacation AS A JOKE at the first fanfest and immeidately said it wouldn't just be a summer vacation. And they advertised S9 and showed invasion stuff in the launch trailer to make it clear it wasn't just a beach vacation. People really overplay that point.

Also don’t forget wuk almost talk no jutsu a freaking Computer program hellbent on saving the people of Alexandria into becoming a “good person”. Maybe I should try that when my pac is acting up at some point so he feels bad and stops whatever he does. Like thinking about it they told us endless are already dead and a perversion that needs souls too function and we shouldn’t feel bad ending them. Why do they think we would care about sphene in any way when they told us don’t care about the endless. It’s like so brain rotting after I thought about it again. She’s a murdering ai memory of a person that died 1000 years ago and poochie tries talking with it……….

I don't think the game is trying to tell us not to care about the Endless.

Sure. Erenville's mom says not to. But if she really felt that way, why is she making sure to spend those final moments with her son? Why do Krile and Erenville get moments of bonding before they have to say goodbye? Why does the camera linger on the world going gray and the utter silence after shutting one of the terminals off?

Yes one character says not to worry about it but it seems more likey she's trying to convince us to go through with it rather than her actions backing that sentiment up. And everything else about the final zone is trying to make us feel something for them. I wouldn't take one npcs words motivated to getting us to stop all of it at face value there.

Also considering that 'talk no jutsu' failed and wasn't likely to ever have succeeded given Sphene's directives I don't know why it being there bothers you that much.