Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

[Raven2014]

This would also account for the awful pacing issues because no senior played through early and thought "WTH is this visual novel nonsense".

I hate how since ever Steam popularize and make VN more mainstream, I keep seeing more and more comparison like this as if it's a hip things to do.

DT WISHED it were a proper visual novel. But a $15 nukige probably have better writing and pacing than this.

Most of the so called "VN" these days are writen by wannabe novelist. They're not VN, they are often self-insert fan fic with pictures ... which is very similar to DT, seeing how it's basically a self-insert fan fic with a budget.

And yes, I know of the writer in charge wrote a obscured otome VN, if he was in charge of wring WL that would explain the whole harem set up around her.

But by gosh I wish DT were a decent VN, I wouldn't mind. Sure there maybe less gameplay but at least the writing and pacing would be 3 times better than what we're having.

[Drimn]

I don't even necessarily think Wuk Lamat is a horrible character as a concept, but if you oversalt a dish you're going to spoil the dish, and if you use salt where you should have used sugar, you're going to spoil the dish too. DT does both with Wuk Lamat.

That's the thing. There are the makings of a fun character there and there is room for a meathead with a heart of gold character with the Scions, especially now that Yda/Lyse changed and is off doing her own thing. The execution from English VA casting to writing is just so awful that now anything positive has been irreparably damaged and people will just roll their eyes when they bump into her in later expacs. I'm expecting the next expac to play it very safe after two poorly received character introductions in a row now, and that's too bad. A major part of the DT MSQ's problems is they didn't take enough risks, and the ones they did take were catastrophically blundered. I hope they don't learn the wrong lesson from all of this.

[Daralii]

Honestly, bar wuk lamat, my biggest issue with the story is that it all felt incredibly childish like babies first final fantasy. Everything is solved by the power of friendship, there's absolutely no real conflict between cultures that were at war not too long ago, and even when it gets a bit darker like Erenvilles mum it's just brushed aside. They said it'd be on the level of arr but even that was more interesting and far darker. Arr had murder, conflict, kidnapping, Edda, the garlan empire, Nanamo being poisoned, Rabahn going ape shit and killing lalas. What did Dawntrail have other than Wuk Lamat, tacos, and the power of friendship?

edit: sorry if this isn't the right thread for this but I just needed to vent really.

I think a lot of people forget about things like the massacre at the Waking Sands when they think back to 2.0.

[Voidmage]

I think a lot of people forget about things like the massacre at the Waking Sands when they think back to 2.0.

That and people always forget that ARR showed us how deadly adventuring can be with the adventurers dying in the first dungeons.
There is also the whole thing with the elementals in Gridania or the poor people right infront of Ul'dah.

There was so much grity stuff in ARR, DT should be ashamed of itself because it's a completely unrealistic world.

[LisseyCrowe]

That's the thing. There are the makings of a fun character there and there is room for a meathead with a heart of gold character with the Scions, especially now that Yda/Lyse changed and is off doing her own thing. The execution from English VA casting to writing is just so awful that now anything positive has been irreparably damaged and people will just roll their eyes when they bump into her in later expacs. I'm expecting the next expac to play it very safe after two poorly received character introductions in a row now, and that's too bad. A major part of the DT MSQ's problems is they didn't take enough risks, and the ones they did take were catastrophically blundered. I hope they don't learn the wrong lesson from all of this.

There was this short scene in the Endwalker patch where Wuk slaps G'raha on the back and he gives her this surprised, uncomfortable look as he nearly falls over. I really liked that scene, because it made her look a bit more Tomboyish, almost dude-bro levels of extrovertedness that could have at times caused issues with her misreading the room or maybe relationships and she'd have to learn to be a bit more understanding of others (and her people wink wink).

But no, the Wuk we got in Dawntrail is ... relatively feminine, all things considered? Almost stereotypically-so actually, where her strength actually comes more from the inside and then she's given cute flaws like being a klutz and playfully emotional to make her endearing. If we swapped her out of Warrior without changing anything else there wouldn't be anything egregious that pops out. The Scions all have a job that suits them. Thancred's a bodyguard, Alisaie is the more aggressive of what is ultimately very supportive twins, Urianger is mysterious, etc, etc. Wuk has a heart of gold, and so she's a warrior, and that's fiiiine but ... I feel like that's not enough.

I ... actually kind of want to blame the VA here as well. I wonder how I'd feel going through DT with JP voices. Unfortunately I'm not enough of a masochist to actually go through DT more than once.

[Mnemy]

I wonder how I'd feel going through DT with JP voices. Unfortunately I'm not enough of a masochist to actually go through DT more than once.

This is the saddest part for me, that there's a FFXIV DLC I'm NOT excited to play nor wanna replay ever again. It's been my ritual to replay the entire MSQ whenever a new expac is coming as a review of sorts and I think this is the 1st time I'm skipping an expac and just stopping right at 6.55 and then go straight to 8.0 when I replay it. IF I'm still playing by the time 8.0 comes round that is.

[SteakDriven]

I'd say they could go for a more pre-Columbian route, but with how disrespectful they were in Tural, they'd probably handle a pre-Columbian US about as well as Peter Pan or 1940s Looney Tunes did.

Did they say the bullets are rubber in Japanese as well, or is it just an English localization?
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Point of order, Neverland isn't America - it's a place where things "never were" are, hence the name, Neverland. Everything there is a caricature - complete make-believe.

But to your question, I'll go check. I'll need to change the client language to Japanese, take a screenshot of the relevant dialog, and run it through a text parser.

[Asari5]

in german they dont say specifically rubber, but it has the same meaning.

have they always a special not deadly gun around? or do they have to change ammo first when they get attacked by monsters?

[Sairaag]

Seems apt to repost this:



(Not mine btw)

Yeah, that's exactly how it felt to me at times. Kind of makes me imagine a stealth sequence where the WoL has to keep sneaking away from Wuk Lamat...

[BabySneed]

That and people always forget that ARR showed us how deadly adventuring can be with the adventurers dying in the first dungeons.
There is also the whole thing with the elementals in Gridania or the poor people right infront of Ul'dah.

There was so much grity stuff in ARR, DT should be ashamed of itself because it's a completely unrealistic world.

This stuff about rubber bullets and general 4kids-esque softening of the lore in Dawntrail reminds me of the one Simpsons episode where Marge forces the Itchy & Scratchy writers to remove all the violence, conflict and edge because it's a bad influence, resulting in a completely substanceless episode made to be as inoffensive and safe as possible, that appeals to absolutely nobody besides people who didn't like the show to begin with
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozWpY6Cn67Y
First Poochie now this, truly The Simpsons has predicted Dawntrail once again