Pictomancer is insanely overtuned and needs to be fixed before savage drops.

[Supersnow845]

Dont get me wrong i understand your point and with biggest respect but you cant balance classes around old outdated content, i understand the point about 90-100 thats something square needs to look into it to prevent killing picto, but everything under 90 doesnt really matter anymore

Not level, percentile of parses

[AvoSturmfaust]

Not level, percentile of parses

oh my bad, didnt read right, im sorry

yes percentile you are right

[Galvuu]

3. Really don't get this sentiment when DPS checks were a major part of on patch difficulty for TOP, and the DPS check for it was still relevant even a few patches later.

Anyway, I'd just prefer that PCT get some of its damage shifted into its uptime combos rather than its muses, that would mitigate the problem somewhat.

While I'm ambivalent towards your suggestion (it could work), it's funny that it wouldn't change much of anything in TOP, because the phases with a tight check- p1 and p6- are pure uptime.

Picto needs a nerf, and even with Squares Mentality to just bring everyone up it doesnt work this time, we are not talking about a small gap or a lil bigger gap, we are talking about 8% to the next highest DPS, its way too much.

Where are you getting this figure from? I can't even challenge this because I can't find this specific number anywhere.

[AvoSturmfaust]

While I'm ambivalent towards your suggestion (it could work), it's funny that it wouldn't change much of anything in TOP, because the phases with a tight check- p1 and p6- are pure uptime.



Where are you getting this figure from? I can't even challenge this because I can't find this specific number anywhere.

Just ask the Balance Mentors, its like always a hot topic there, and if you wanna clearly numbers, check FFLogs, do a bit Math and you see it for yourself.

[Galvuu]

Just ask the Balance Mentors, its like always a hot topic there, and if you wanna clearly numbers, check FFLogs, do a bit Math and you see it for yourself.

I did check fflogs, and I did do the math, and Picto leads between 1.8% to 2.5%, depending on the metric, for current NM raids (it's obviously behind in adps).
For extreme trials, Picto doesn't even lead in most percentiles- it's 2nd in rdps and 3rd in cdps until the 90% percentile, where it finally takes over by a small sub 1% margin (so PCT is behind other jobs in rdps, adps and cdps until you hit the top 10% parses).
So I have no idea where this 8% figure came from. That's kinda why you need to explain what fight and what percentiles you're looking for, or I could open a random log and say a bogus number.
I'm not on the Balance, so idk what's being posted there, but the logs we have clearly show that the 8% number seems to be flat out wrong/fabricated.

[Ramiee]

Ive played picto and viper/drg on m1-m4

picto casts are way easier than melee uptime

Eh depends on the person. Some people struggle with moving diagonally into a boss to dodge something while melee, some struggle with slide casting. Game is super easy to get constant uptime in normal content, melees are especially easy nowadays cus of the big target boxes, if this was hw or sb hit boxes id agree with you.

[remiff]

I did check fflogs, and I did do the math, and Picto leads between 1.8% to 2.5%, depending on the metric, for current NM raids (it's obviously behind in adps).
For extreme trials, Picto doesn't even lead in most percentiles- it's 2nd in rdps and 3rd in cdps until the 90% percentile, where it finally takes over by a small sub 1% margin (so PCT is behind other jobs in rdps, adps and cdps until you hit the top 10% parses).
So I have no idea where this 8% figure came from. That's kinda why you need to explain what fight and what percentiles you're looking for, or I could open a random log and say a bogus number.
I'm not on the Balance, so idk what's being posted there, but the logs we have clearly show that the 8% number seems to be flat out wrong/fabricated.

He is probably talking about an 8-10% difference compared to the lowest DPS on the LOG list, which is the case.

[Rithy255]

Damage wise I think it's fine, I think the only issue is that black mage should be slightly higher in total dps (raid buff contribution included for picto). I don't think it's a bad thing to have Casters around/slight above melee damage if they don't bring a rez.

for utility Doesn't it have like one AOE heal tied to a attack so you can't really use it always at the best time, it also having aoe shields on a 90s (120 but -30 if broken) on a recast timer, I mean don't get me wrong the shielding is strong but I don't really see its utility as that broken.

I think people are judging the job based off RDM/SMN damage and are thinking it's crazy that a magic ranged can do more damage then a melee, when I think personally magic ranged with cast times such as Picto and Black mage are some of the most deserving of "highest DPS"

[WhensMarvel]

FFlogs has done irreparable damage to this community. It's hard to teach people about crit variance and that a raid buff is not utility.

You have a lot of takes on raid buffs for someone who does not even raid lmao

[Supersnow845]

You have a lot of takes on raid buffs for someone who does not even raid lmao

But he is objectively correct, a raid buff is not utility, it’s just damage, same as raid buffs that generate a follow up (plentiful harvest, oracle radiant encore)

Saying “it does good damage and has a raid buff as well it’s so strong” is a pointless statement as its damage is being calculated based on its raid buff contribution

The only buffs that really could double as utility would be cards and DP as they allow you to control who you are buffing so you can do things like feeding gear to the DP, and as expected they are specifically excluded from cDPS for this reason