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    Quote Originally Posted by fulminating View Post
    At the end of endwalker, an ancient was actually brought back. Admittedly this was after zodiark let the souls out, but it was demonstrably possible for someone with sufficient aether reserves and magical capability to resurrect 75% of the ancient population. If only the ascians had a sorcerer of eld with explicitly bottomless reserves of mana on their team. The real question is whether or not zodiark had hotswappable batteries.
    Help me ot a bit here because my brain has some trouble processing.
    Do you mean the scene were Emet and his husband are summoned by us?

    But yeah Zodiark seemed to be like a toy you could swap batteries out, only that those batteries wouldn't get used up.
    The plan was to swap them out in the end.

    I mean... have you tried those Ancient batteries?
    They are longlasting, totally green and easy to use. Just sing a sad song and they jump at the opportunity themself.

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    Runar really got her with that stew back at my place pickup line.
    Runar was such a big bro. We went from chad Runar to Wuk Lamat. That's a downgrade if you ask me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voidmage View Post
    Help me ot a bit here because my brain has some trouble processing.
    Do you mean the scene were Emet and his husband are summoned by us?

    But yeah Zodiark seemed to be like a toy you could swap batteries out, only that those batteries wouldn't get used up.
    The plan was to swap them out in the end.

    I mean... have you tried those Ancient batteries?
    They are longlasting, totally green and easy to use. Just sing a sad song and they jump at the opportunity themself.
    Yeah - specifically hythlodaeus since we know he was inside zodiark. Given the same or similar trick was pulled on y'shtola once by hades in shb and also by the elementals/pajdal in hw patches, we can be reasonably confident that the plan would mechanically function probably even if it's a bit silly. Elementals might be too ancient adjacent to think the current races would be able to pull it off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fulminating View Post
    Yeah - specifically hythlodaeus since we know he was inside zodiark. Given the same or similar trick was pulled on y'shtola once by hades in shb and also in hw patches, we can be reasonably confident that the plan would mechanically function probably even if it's a bit silly.
    As far a I remember they werent brought back to life. Emet said they were hald faded souls but I also could remember wrong.
    The only reason we were able to summon those two from the lifestream was because of Venats very last aether imbued into Azems crystal and even then my theory is that, us being in Ultima Thule, Dynamis also playd a factor.
    They also didn't do much besides creating a flower field so they probably werent even at full power and Hythlo was still sundered.

    But besides that. With my comment I meant more that the ancients would never come back in the form the Asciants envisioned.
    There wouldn't be giant robed humans but actually the different races in normal size just denser.
    Even if they used creation magic or Zodiark to alter that as well their whole outlook on life would be different I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voidmage View Post
    As far a I remember they werent brought back to life. Emet said they were hald faded souls but I also could remember wrong.
    The only reason we were able to summon those two from the lifestream was because of Venats very last aether imbued into Azems crystal and even then my theory is that, us being in Ultima Thule, Dynamis also playd a factor.
    They also didn't do much besides creating a flower field so they probably werent even at full power and Hythlo was still sundered.

    But besides that. With my comment I meant more that the ancients would never come back in the form the Asciants envisioned.
    There wouldn't be giant robed humans but actually the different races in normal size just denser.
    Even if they used creation magic or Zodiark to alter that as well their whole outlook on life would be different I think.
    The plan was to sacrifice the new life to zodiark and let the old guys out, there's no reason to think this changed asides the added step of reassembling the world at some point before step 1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fulminating View Post
    The plan was to sacrifice the new life to zodiark and let the old guys out, there's no reason to think this changed asides the added step of reassembling the world at some point before step 1.
    I...think we are talking around each other and actually mean the same thing.
    My english is not the best so that could be my fault, sorry for that.

    Yeah that was the plan.
    Freeing Zodiark, replacing the souls and have him do the rest.
    I just don't know if that would have worked because thsoe souls inside him wouldn't have been happy with that and full of hate.
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