Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

[Mortex]

I am all for hating Wuk Lamat but that's not what happened. Erenville told us we can't go in using our usual "brutal" methods becuase of the laws in the zone. It had nothing to with making Wuk Lamat look bad really.

In short we could have just shot all the people in duels in less then 10 mins with rubber bullets and we would be done in the area. Like let’s be real here the so called “law” in the area was working for bandits also with is just uff.

[Galvuu]

I keep coming back to this thread- it's therapeutic.
I thought I was going insane because of my disdain for this naive Mary Sue who causes the universe to warp around her so she succeeds regardless of the monumental stupidity of her actions.
But every few days I see more people echoing the same sentiments. It really is that awful.
I don't have much to add, really- everything that could be said probably already has in 200 pages.
But Wuk Lamat succeeding while barely trying really gives me images of irl nepo babies who stumble into fortune and power barely lifting a finger, and despite their obvious faults.
At the very least she's not malicious... but it still feels relatable in the worst way possible- I look at her and see someone whose success and position of power are not only not earned, they're unfairly taken from people who might be more competent and might be disastrous in the short term (literally the moment there's a serious issue that needs some manner of rational thought or compromise, there's a high chance Wuk Lamat's "let's all hug and be friends" mentality backfires).
I relate her with some of the things I loathe irl... she's the antithesis of meritocracy and growth. At least Koana worked through some of his shortcomings, even if he, too, became brainwashed to worship Wuk Lamat for... some incomprehensible reason.

[OgruMogru]

THERE'S NO ESCAPING HER I JUST WANNA DO LAD STUFF LIKE PICKING FLOWERS WITH THE BOYS

[Raven2014]

In short we could have just shot all the people in duels in less then 10 mins with rubber bullets and we would be done in the area. Like let’s be real here the so called “law” in the area was working for bandits also with is just uff.

Maybe I'm a minority but I always found the whole rubber bullet things as hilarious and sad.

We went from seeing Tesleen getting gut like a fish, transformed into a horrendous monster in real time in front of a child to a zone that's supposed to be the wild west with real cowboy, corrupt cops and outlaw ... and thing settle with rubber bullet? Like ... common.

The former is enough to earn a NSFL tag, the latter felt like a bad Disney paradogy.

[Nothv13]

Maybe I'm a minority but I always found the whole rubber bullet things as hilarious and sad.

We went from seeing Tesleen getting gut like a fish, transformed into a horrendous monster in real time in front of a child to a zone that's supposed to be the wild west with real cowboy, corrupt cops and outlaw ... and thing settle with rubber bullet? Like ... common.

The former is enough to earn a NSFL tag, the latter felt like a bad Disney paradogy.

It really does make me think they wanted to target this expansion at younger people. If true, they failed since the expansion is far to slow to properly capture that younger generation.

[jameseoakes]

Maybe I'm a minority but I always found the whole rubber bullet things as hilarious and sad.

We went from seeing Tesleen getting gut like a fish, transformed into a horrendous monster in real time in front of a child to a zone that's supposed to be the wild west with real cowboy, corrupt cops and outlaw ... and thing settle with rubber bullet? Like ... common.

The former is enough to earn a NSFL tag, the latter felt like a bad Disney paradogy.

The whole bit just felt strange, there didn't seem to be any reason for the game to have such a timid approch to things it just made the zone feel stupid a childish for no reason

[Galvuu]

Maybe I'm a minority but I always found the whole rubber bullet things as hilarious and sad.

I also don't see how a duel with rubber bullets "decisively and finally sets their differences", which was supposed to be a unique idiosyncrasy of their culture that they were trying to move away from. Like... if we're having a fight and you shoot me with a rubber bullet, why is it final? I didn't die, does the bullet make me not-pissed? I guess you could say they used to be duels to the death, but they changed it to rubber bullets after law enforcement got established- but then, why do the npcs say "let's settle this the old way"? That's not the old way at all... is it?
I imagine they wanted to do Wild West, but then went "omg they might find this barbaric... we can't have a negative aspect to a subculture in this continent, they must all be perfect. Can you change it so we keep the duels but they're non-lethal?"
Everything in DT is so... sanitized.

[lolnotacat]

I also don't see how a duel with rubber bullets "decisively and finally sets their differences", which was supposed to be a unique idiosyncrasy of their culture that they were trying to move away from. Like... if we're having a fight and you shoot me with a rubber bullet, why is it final? I didn't die, does the bullet make me not-pissed? I guess you could say they used to be duels to the death, but they changed it to rubber bullets after law enforcement got established- but then, why do the npcs say "let's settle this the old way"? That's not the old way at all... is it?
I imagine they wanted to do Wild West, but then went "omg they might find this barbaric... we can't have a negative aspect to a subculture in this continent, they must all be perfect. Can you change it so we keep the duels but they're non-lethal?"
Everything in DT is so... sanitized.

You bring up a good point. They were trying to be "respectful" of cultures, but then they sanitize something that was a part of early American culture? Yes, duels didn't historically happen all the time like in the movies, but they did happen. Hell one of our founding fathers was killed in a duel with the vice president. And one of our presidents, Andrew Jackson was a notorious duelist.

If they didn't want to have the duel end in death, there are ways around it. Historically, many duels were about honor. Both participants would just shoot into the ground because they had no intention to harm each other. Also before the invention of rifling, a lot of duels just ended with both participants missing each other, shrugging their shoulders because honor was satisfied, and goin home.

Whatever "cultural sensitivities" CBU3 was adhering to seems to be directed towards a group of people who wouldn't care that they got American culture wrong.

[Voidmage]

THERE'S NO ESCAPING HER I JUST WANNA DO LAD STUFF LIKE PICKING FLOWERS WITH THE BOYS

I‘m doing some sidequests right now and enjoy them but…
Man Wuk Lamat is mentioned in quite a number of them in one form or the other.

It’s getting really, really annoying at this point. No matter the character I can‘t imagine anyone being happy with this much.
Imagine if Cayde in Destiny was treated like that (not that destiny has a story in game)...

Every character who mentions her loves her, praises her and almost never mentions Koana.
I would laugh if it wasn‘t so sad.

[SteakDriven]

It really does make me think they wanted to target this expansion at younger people. If true, they failed since the expansion is far to slow to properly capture that younger generation.

I was watching Hondo and Big Jake whenever I was less than 10. Kids can handle movies with real guns.