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    Quote Originally Posted by Voidmage View Post
    I was just adding aditional information there. Nothing more.
    If you want my opinion on the endless then it would be:
    I think they are alive. They are a form of "clones" of the originals but nonetheless themself. Otherwise the whole thing with Krile's and Erenvilles parents wouldn't make no sense for me.
    Their death was sad and a tragedy but the game didn't give us any other options and I say the game, because there clearly was a way and it get's to fast handwaved with "they all want that anyway".
    I never said I justify genocide nor will I allow anyone to put those words into my mouth. Are we clear?

    Edit:
    I just saw you quoted me for the argument. Ah well, you are correct. Take my answer anyway. xD
    It's fine, sorry it was confusing :x should've answered all of it before quoting you for clarity! I'm in full agreement with you here!


    Just my two cents on the Endless, I think i'ts yet another example of something the game handled badly. It's actually a really cool discussion to have, if we really think they're alive and how that should be treated...except the story didn't go that route and didn't want us to have that discussion. It decided for us that we just shouldn't think too much about it, they're unsustainable and should be shut down, just wanted us to go "shhh, think of the emotional scenes and move on. If you think TOO much it will break those scenes, so just...don't think."

    And after the tribe quests in Ultima Thule, and what was presented to us in the area in general, it's also inconsistent with what the game understands consists of life. Is it the memory? Is it the soul? From my understanding, it was the consciousness. And the Endless are conscious. They're able to interact and form new memories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chizLemons View Post
    It's fine, sorry it was confusing :x should've answered all of it before quoting you for clarity! I'm in full agreement with you here!


    Just my two cents on the Endless, I think i'ts yet another example of something the game handled badly. It's actually a really cool discussion to have, if we really think they're alive and how that should be treated...except the story didn't go that route and didn't want us to have that discussion. It decided for us that we just shouldn't think too much about it, they're unsustainable and should be shut down, just wanted us to go "shhh, think of the emotional scenes and move on. If you think TOO much it will break those scenes, so just...don't think."

    And after the tribe quests in Ultima Thule, and what was presented to us in the area in general, it's also inconsistent with what the game understands consists of life. Is it the memory? Is it the soul? From my understanding, it was the consciousness. And the Endless are conscious. They're able to interact and form new memories.
    It's fine.

    Fully agree.
    The endless are an interesting phylosophical thing in the story and I would enjoyed that topic in the game and out of it.
    It's too bad the game won't go into that whole thing deeper.
    We could have had flashbacks to Emet's words, we could have had Endless struggling with the decision and Wuk Lamat having character growth there, or we could have had with the deactivations Sphene breaking down more and more. Instead even she was fine with it and didn't even comment on the whole thing.
    Even the credits are a happy ever after.

    What a bummer.
    Such a missed chance.
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