Are we destroying "our own" game?

[Ruris]

Yes, yes you are clueless

My original statement was an observation between forum and ingame; nowhere was it about steam/other locations. The steam statement was in regards to someone bringing up steam after the fact. If you can't follow a discussion and the sequence thereof then there's some issues you need to look into there haha.

"No, you!!" isn't going to work here, I'm afraid:

Normally when msq/story/content is bad it gets expressed in all locations where the community exists, including in-game; but that's not what I'm seeing with DT.

My original statement was an observation between forum and ingame; nowhere was it about steam/other locations.

You are literally contradicting yourself. I'm not sure if you're realising you're even doing it. But then, your original post that I responded to in the first place was pretty abysmally presented, so par for the course.

[DaveFishnomer]

People are ruining the game by shoving the issue under the rug and blindly praising the devs even when they fuck up

[Rekh]

"No, you!!" isn't going to work here, I'm afraid:





You are literally contradicting yourself. I'm not sure if you're realising you're even doing it. But then, your original post that I responded to in the first place was pretty abysmally presented, so par for the course.

Haha you'd be perfect at cnn/fox news who love misquoting or piecing together different quotes to suit your misguided attemps. Let me find my original post and put it into the real context. Context seems to be some that's hard to understand for someone like you it seems.

When taken as a full quote which can be referenced the statement speaks for itself. The first statement refers to difference between forum and ingame and the second refers to an additional observation which can be found outside of the game. Steam and metacritic are not the only places where the community exists; if you didn't know, now you know.

This is the issue with people like you who see everything in black and white; words such as context and nuance seem to be foreign concepts, when in reality those concepts are the most important factors in any discussion.

[Lady_Silvermoon]

Nothing FF14 has put out since 1.0 has had this poor of a reception. And their response was to give up sleep for two years and create something better. So no, I don't think anyone complaining is attempting to destroy the game. I think their complaints are to save the game because if the majority of people aren't having fun they will stop subbing and if they stop subbing, the game dies. Sure, it's impossible to satisfy everyone, but when these many people are disappointed, it's worth looking at why.

The MSQ had major issues with pacing, characterization, consistency, broken aesops, everything. The writing was bad to a degree it was hard for most people to overlook how bad it was no matter how much they like the game. There will always be complainers as it's impossible to please everyone because people want different things.

The people who feel the game has gotten too hard are a small minority. There was an increase in difficulty, they aren't mistaken about that, but more people like that then dislike it. It makes more sense to work on ways to improve play for those people than to change things in a way the majority don't want to see changed.

But when it comes to the story, most of what I've seen is people feeling it was okay to it was really bad. That is not a level of quality they should be okay with serving their playerbase if they want to keep a playerbase.

[angienessyo]

I've had a blast with DT's content and I'm excited for savage.

With the forums and other social media I just keep in mind that people on the internet have a bad habit of exaggerating their feelings and people don't always know how to really word their criticisms in a constructive manner. Online people tend to speak like "this is the worst thing ever" "I hated it so that means it's objectively bad" "Everyone that likes this is stupid", etc. Also the people most likely to voice their opinions on something like an official forums are going to be people with complaints. So if some people are unhappy with the direction of the game you're gonna see a lot of heated opinions on here.

If you're enjoying the expansion that opinion is also valid and don't let people try to convince you otherwise. One of my favorite games of the year is Rise of the Ronin and that didn't exactly get glowing critical reviews. But you know what? I loved it. Someone yelling to the roof tops that it looked like a PS3 game or whatever didn't ruin my enjoyment of the game. It's story was mediocre but that combat shined so brightly it cancelled out any other complaints I would have had about the game. So I mean, if you enjoyed DT, keep enjoying it. It's alright if some people on the forums don't like it, you're the only one that can say how you personally feel about it.

[Wildheaven182]

Criticism doesnt destroy the game, it gives the tools to make it better.
Arrogant out of touch prideful developers destroy the game, hence 1.0
But a mindless fanboying community that rabidly pounces on any criticism, frothing at the mouth, also destroys a game.

[Rekh]

I've had a blast with DT's content and I'm excited for savage.

With the forums and other social media I just keep in mind that people on the internet have a bad habit of exaggerating their feelings and people don't always know how to really word their criticisms in a constructive manner. Online people tend to speak like "this is the worst thing ever" "I hated it so that means it's objectively bad" "Everyone that likes this is stupid", etc. Also the people most likely to voice their opinions on something like an official forums are going to be people with complaints. So if some people are unhappy with the direction of the game you're gonna see a lot of heated opinions on here.

If you're enjoying the expansion that opinion is also valid and don't let people try to convince you otherwise. One of my favorite games of the year is Rise of the Ronin and that didn't exactly get glowing critical reviews. But you know what? I loved it. Someone yelling to the roof tops that it looked like a PS3 game or whatever didn't ruin my enjoyment of the game. It's story was mediocre but that combat shined so brightly it cancelled out any other complaints I would have had about the game. So I mean, if you enjoyed DT, keep enjoying it. It's alright if some people on the fis iorums don't like it, you're the only one that can say how you personally feel about it.

Amen. This is my observation as well. People are bringing the issues they have with square enix as it pertains to battle content/other content into the MSQ. Notice how most of it is tied to not liking a character's english voice or the same nonsense about "pacing" that they've been complaining about since heavensward.

[AnimaAnimus]

It makes me kind of sad hearing all that stuff about "dungeons too hard for me" "raids too easy for me" "story is bad" "bring back stormblood", I have the feeling people are more and more driven into the mindset "Well if everyone says it is bad.. then it must be bad!" until they actually feel that way.

You are getting this way wrong. For years now it has not been constant criticism outside of the forums here and I think that is because the forums here are the only place without a downvote button. If you go to places like Reddit or Twitter or anyplace else the ppl are nearly rabid about this game and gang up on you like hyenas if you dare have any criticism about the game, its direction, story, etc. What we are seeing now is a direct result of all that white knighting, esp in the story, which went directly into the toilet this expansion. Last expansion it was easy to see just how easy and narratively simple this gam got.

And the thing is, we have been trying to talk about how downhill the writing went. How far they fell in writing quality with endwalker. How they wasted and ruined characters like Zodiarc, Hydaelyn and the Twelve. How they rushed the story needlessly and dropped the ball narratively over and over again. And now we went from barely passable college level writing in EW to barely passable high school english class writing in DT. But holy hell, those of us who had anything negative to say or wanted to point out plot holes or anything couldn't say a thing without the call to arms by the masses. So DT is frankly on the heads of all those keyboard warriors who felt personally slighted at mere mention of the game's bad narrative direction.

The game had also become so easy that all we had to do was collect tomes for some of the most powerful weapons in the game, which is absolutely rediculous. Again because of the keyboard warriors who just wanted everything now. I understand that some content is hard for some, but so many are just plain unwilling to try to improve and if they are not givin the best gear, the mounts, minions, etc right now with the least amount of effort they throw an online tantrum like a toddler. It's ok to fail and to have to try. Its good to fail in fact because it will help you improve and become better. And that goes for nearly every facet of life. It had to get to the point where the director was falling asleep to see how bad it became because everyone is more concerned with blowing rainbows up the devs backsides than actually giving feedback that would help improve the game. And I am glad they are course correcting.

I am glad DT happened. It needed to happen. Cause now the only ones not stepping back and saying, "oh...wait, this is not good" we know are the ones who are either lacking knowledge in literary and narrative areas (which is perfectly fine), or just part of the foaming at the mouth fandom. And you can always tell which one is which by their responses.

[Ruris]

Haha you'd be perfect at cnn/fox news who love misquoting or piecing together different quotes to suit your misguided attemps. Let me find my original post and put it into the real context. Context seems to be some that's hard to understand for someone like you it seems.

Normally when msq/story/content is bad it gets expressed in all locations where the community exists, including in-game;

"Feedback is expressed in all* locations where the community exists, including** in-game" which means all* locations and not limited to** in game.

My original statement was an observation between forum and ingame; nowhere was it about steam/other locations.

and then you whittle down your orignial post, outright contradicting it to remove Steam from inclusion. Your original comment includes Steam by nature of including all communities. But you claim that your original post never included Steam. Read it again.

I'm done. As much as I'm going to miss conversing with a person who struggles to keep "haha"; "you're clueless"; "this is hard for you to understand", out of their post, I won't.

[Voidmage]

It's like forum's living in one world and people in game are living in another. Haven't encountered anyone who didn't like DT msq. I'm seeing the opposite in game, it's been a lot of fun so far.

Normally when msq/story/content is bad it gets expressed in all locations where the community exists, including in-game; but that's not what I'm seeing with DT.

There are a lot of locations where it is disussed though. I don't know how many times that was already said and even my tone is starting to get sharper now because this take is so often brought up and already answered.
There is the forum (english and japanese), there is reddit, there is YouTube, there is twitch, there is 4chan / 5chan and several japanese sites, there is steam, there are other mmo-forums.
The story is the big thing of this expansion being discussed with lots and lots of back and force.

There doesn't seem to be any majority on either vocal site to be found.

I get the anectodal part and players not encountering stuff (I encountered negativity ingame) and i get liking the story. that's absolutely ok and no one asks those to chnage theri opinion.

But all of you should stop already with this stupid take of only this forum being unhappy with the MSQ. It doesn't help your standpoint at all.

Edit:
After reading your other responses it's clear you are just a troll trying to get a kick of antagonising people.
Won't waste my time on you any further.