Black mage should do 15% DMG higher than any job in this game

[Nyctoss]

Such opinions should be considered harm to self and others and therefore permanently banned. You should not be allowed to have an account where you can express your opinion in public. The amount of braincells dying from both writing and reading this is way beyond acceptable. But yes, please do share your amazing calculations that gave you this magic 15% number.

[Raraka]

As someone said, you may want to set the graph to show by Cdps or Adps

In adps the difference between picto and blm is just 1.31 of the percentile, so in terms of selfish dps they are pretty close. The problem is when you consider Picto also has a raid buff

This is to say, a 15% buff would be ridiculous, but a small potency buff to the actions you pop under raid buffs should suffice

[Turtledeluxe]

My guess would be their differences in DPS should vary according to the percentile looked at. Having BLM dominate on the higher percentiles while PCT is consistently good across the board would make it a balanced choice between a hard job that, in the hands of the right player, rewards with better DPS, and a job that yields a more consistent and reliable DPS due to ease of use.

Either way, BLM really are in a bad spot. I don't think Flare Star should be removed but it should get it's usage conditions changed (maybe making Despair/Flare activate the spell?). I'm confident there was way better options to remove non standard BLM without throwing a wrench on the job as a whole. They don't need to do 15% more damage than the other jobs but, at the very least, they should be at the top on the higher percentiles.

I think that's fair as well with respect to percentile. But I still think the question is whether or not a simple BLM buff gets you there. Looking at the rotation (ie adjusting Flare Star) I guess is something I did not realize was on the table. I would think of that as a very long term change, but maybe I'm wrong.

Regardless, they're definitely buffing BLM. So we are going to see how that affects all skill levels without any meaningful rotational reworks. In the short term, it just depends on what the potency adjustment is. It definitely doesn't need to be god tier 15%, but doesn't kinda need to be? I don't think bringing BLM aDpS in line with PCT is enough. Play messy BLM well so you can be as good as PCT? I'm just not sure. It's like, hopefully you're the top 15% of BLM or just play PCT for highly meaningful DPS across all percentiles? Hmm.

[Edweirdo]

I play both Blm and Picto atm, and Picto brings more dps on the go, +buffs for all, and it's more forgiving and agile.

Point is, idk what percentage should be right..but pure dps jobs should bring pure dps to counteract the lack of utilities and party buffs.
Also I think flare star is kinda awkward atm , I feel like the simplest solution would be to have it reset fire like despair does.. to allow you time to switch to ice , or make it insta cast like paradox .

[Eraden]

I think that's fair as well with respect to percentile. But I still think the question is whether or not a simple BLM buff gets you there. Looking at the rotation (ie adjusting Flare Star) I guess is something I did not realize was on the table. I would think of that as a very long term change, but maybe I'm wrong.

Regardless, they're definitely buffing BLM. So we are going to see how that affects all skill levels without any meaningful rotational reworks. In the short term, it just depends on what the potency adjustment is. It definitely doesn't need to be god tier 15%, but doesn't kinda need to be? I don't think bringing BLM aDpS in line with PCT is enough. Play messy BLM well so you can be as good as PCT? I'm just not sure. It's like, hopefully you're the top 15% of BLM or just play PCT for highly meaningful DPS across all percentiles? Hmm.

Mao worried Devs will just add little bits potencys and call its a day. This will NOTS fix BLMs. BLMs problem comes from EW fluidity being taken away.

[Turtledeluxe]

Mao worried Devs will just add little bits potencys and call its a day. This will NOTS fix BLMs. BLMs problem comes from EW fluidity being taken away.

I agree. They will do this for a specific reason though. If you rework BLM rotation to what it was before, that will also affect the average DPS performance. So if you increase potency and rework the job at the same time, it could result in something as unbalanced as PCT. This is why I think they will go for potency first and rotation later, even if they actually did want to rework BLM right now. It's just easier to do.

I play both Blm and Picto atm, and Picto brings more dps on the go, +buffs for all, and it's more forgiving and agile.

Point is, idk what percentage should be right..but pure dps jobs should bring pure dps to counteract the lack of utilities and party buffs.
Also I think flare star is kinda awkward atm , I feel like the simplest solution would be to have it reset fire like despair does.. to allow you time to switch to ice , or make it insta cast like paradox .

The more we talk about Flare Star the more I feel like it maybe should have just replaced Despair automatically upon meeting the metrics along with being a 1k potency attack. I also think your progress toward it** shouldn't drop by entering ice phase. That's my hot take without considering all the implications. Because imo it does feel kind of stupid in the current rotation .

[Supersnow845]

Flare star could have easily been a replacement for despair and scaled with the number of astral hearts you have

So at one astral heart despair becomes flare star and has the potency it does now, every astral heart beyond that adds 20 or so potency to flare star topping out at 6

Flare star has completely overcome the need for despair but since you have to cast both the back end of your fire phase is incredibly rigid and cast heavy

[Bobby66]

Rather than a damage buff, I'd rather see them allow casting while moving.

Turret style gameplay is the appeal to BLM for players, why remove that?

[Maalik]

As a blackmage main, I must agree. Picto is both easier and more mobile, therefore it beats BLM all around at the moment. Some higher potency to reward good BLM players for one of the more difficult rotations/classes in the game seems only fair. We can't move and have much less front end damage at most levels. I think a redmage buff would also be nice, but at least they can heal/rez.

I am happy to be done with swiftcast, but the balance with picto is obviously off imo.

[Ozmandis]

Turret style gameplay is the appeal to BLM for players, why remove that?

I'm pretty sure the appeal was more about the personnal expression the job allowed before.