DRK needs more self-sustain in dungeons

[Laerune]

I don't like it when all classes are the same, but as a healer, whenever I get a DRK, I do notice how fast their hp drop and how often they need me to heal them. Other tanks don't have this issue.

So I agree, give DRK the same love that warrior has received.

[lolnotacat]

I don't like it when all classes are the same, but as a healer, whenever I get a DRK, I do notice how fast their hp drop and how often they need me to heal them. Other tanks don't have this issue.

So I agree, give DRK the same love that warrior has received.

I don't really notice it in Trials or Raids, but it's ridiculously noticeable in dungeons.

[Supersomething]

What if no tanks had sustain and had to rely on healers to not die?

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

What if no tanks had sustain and had to rely on healers to not die?

Then you'd need to create other design elements to make them more distinct defensively, as they would just be near carbon copies without the variation of sustains used to define them more.

Sustain is fine for tanks to exist, it's only a problem when it starts invalidating the existence of another role. Stormblood Warrior for example had strong access to healing but at cost of damage, and even then you usually still wanted a healer to help you out.

[Silver-Strider]

Then you'd need to create other design elements to make them more distinct defensively, as they would just be near carbon copies without the variation of sustains used to define them more.

That was somewhat how it used to be.

WAR didn't have damage mitigation like PLD and DRK did, instead increasing their Max HP and increasing the amount of healing they received.
DRK had a constant MP drain skill that would empower their damage but managing their MP was a big part of their gameplay since some of their tools required MP to use, such as Abyssal Drain being a GCD that used MP to deal damage and restore HP.
PLD was just the mitigation based tank.

It wasn't balanced all that well but it was doable.

[GoatOfWar]

That was somewhat how it used to be.

WAR didn't have damage mitigation like PLD and DRK did, instead increasing their Max HP and increasing the amount of healing they received.
DRK had a constant MP drain skill that would empower their damage but managing their MP was a big part of their gameplay since some of their tools required MP to use, such as Abyssal Drain being a GCD that used MP to deal damage and restore HP.
PLD was just the mitigation based tank.

It wasn't balanced all that well but it was doable.

Tanks right now aren't balanced eiter.
One of them has a monopoly on every niche, and the only other relevant tank can do 100 more dps.

[BigCheez]

Tanks right now aren't balanced eiter.
One of them has a monopoly on every niche, and the only other relevant tank can do 100 more dps.

This simply isn't true unless you're only talking about dungeons, in which case why are you complaining about balance in content that can be steamrolled with any comp?

[SapphireWeapon]

What if no tanks had sustain and had to rely on healers to not die?

I mean that was kind of what I called for in my post, but I also live in reality. I don't see SE ever doing that, because that would require re-tuning ultimates. And they'll never do that.

This is why this post is focused strictly on dungeons. Surely there must be a way to make the DRK experience through dungeons more palatable without completely screwing over raid balance.

This simply isn't true unless you're only talking about dungeons, in which case why are you complaining about balance in content that can be steamrolled with any comp?

It's almost like this is the point of the entire thread, if you'd only bothered to read the OP.

[Colt47]

Would be nice to have dark arts back and actually have normal sustain like any other tank does. Shadowbringers redesign was one of the worst ones with it suddenly borrowing from Warrior for some reason but being worse in every way because of the use of shields instead of self healing. And if anyone wants to doubt this, I'm certain we can easily recall which tanks were the ones showing up in the dungeon queues the most during week 1 and 2 of this expansion. (To be fair, DRK and GNB had aggro problems, though)

The only reason DRK even exists at all right now is the job aesthetics. If someone boiled all these down to the actual moves and how they function no one would touch it.

Also heavensward jobs are just cursed.