Difficulty of normal content.

[Deslyxic]

if the game is not for you anymore then just leave

Can we cut it out with "the game maybe isn't for you anymore". I think we grew too accustomed to tell that to new players that criticize the game without finishing ARR, but you don't understand how awful is to say that to a person that sunk god only knows how many hours into the game, that the game they love is kicking them into the curb for no fault of their own, and you don't understand how disheartening it is because it's not being said to you.

And rest assured that the people that don't enjoy the game anymore won't be playing it, only WoW players keep playing a game they actively hate and even they have a limit.

[kajv95]

850 posts in this thread and 30 other threads. All from a single post from a single person. OP is the most powerful person in the FFXIV community right now and has you all in a vicegrip.

One (more) note: a lot of you use the standard-issue "you should know the game by level 100 and 300 hours of play time" cope. And that's true! But what of the rest of the game? Are you seriously suggesting that Final Fantasy XIV is a good game while also requiring every player to trudge through 300 hours and 100 levels of absolute boredom? The entire game is single player until level 100. Final Fantasy XIV will experience a terminal decline in player count. While obviously this is the developers' fault, your new standard-issue cope is also at fault because you aren't even giving people the option of using a skip. Final Fantasy XIV can no longer be called a good game for the vast majority of gamers and I would never recommend a new player start now.

If people want to skip, idc. I main red mage. raising people through content is already what I do anyway.
I don't necessarily disagree that it's getting increasingly more difficult for people to get into the game but pushing this onto the playerbase because players who've been playing for thousands of hours wanted to get out of the tutorial level is probably the most massive cope of all time.

As long as the standard dev expectation isn't to skip to Dawntrail, this is fine. Hell, even with it being the expectation, it'd be fine in terms of dungeon difficulty; The dungeons ramp up difficulty quite nicely. Bigger problem is the absurd gameplay drought between dungeons because gotta speak to wuk lamat again.

I just came out of doing Aitiascope and I could literally stand still on the Amon boss without dying as a dps, getting hit by several things. I'm not playing Disney's Dreamlight Valley over here; I want to be engaged and feel the need to move around and such, thanks.

[Menriq]

I would like to add my voice to those who disagree with OP and like the difficulty of the dungeons, trials, and raids and hope they keep this up as they said they would throughout this expansion and the future.

[YandeBunny]

I don't mean to say this as a joke or even be offensive, but you basically want a mode that is more handicap towards the mechanics for certain players on the story-tied dungeons, right? Dev's have already did a great job on adding the trust system where you can play with official NPCs from the story. I hate that it's limited to certain dungeons, but it's there for most of the dungeons tied into the main story quests. I understand your frustration that the mechanics that we find to be easy is harder for you and other players. I think it would be great if Dev's added a special mode for players to enjoy the game easier by just focusing on the trust system to be added to every dungeon and trial that's in relation towards to just the MSQ so they can progress to the next part.

This is just me being understanding towards people who are having a hard time in the game's casual mode. However, to nerf the entire 'casual' aspect of what was already delivered to us, that I have to disagree on. This is level 90+ dungeons, so it really does meet with everything we have all should have learned from previous dungeons (MSQs and side-quest locked dungeons).

I, personally, don't think the difficulty is at all complicated, but this is coming from someone who's been playing FFXIV since the release date of Heavensward as a DRG & WHM main, did all the side quests (because I didn't like seeing it on my map), and never have I once touched a single synched extreme until the release of "Susano's Extreme". After that, I didn't even get into synced extremes until after I finished Endwalker. I realized everything I have learned up until completing Endwalker, and since there was so many fresh prog PFs up, I wanted to give myself a challenge and I REALLY enjoyed what SE gave us in the trials and Extremes of Endwalker.

I can see for people who are solely just trying to enjoy the game's story and lore, are not trying to go through complicated dungeons and basically want a smooth-ride through the MSQ dungeons, Trials, and story-based instances. I get that. I think this would be solved with the trust system though, and I'm PRETTY sure all of MSQ dungeons use the NPC's for help except for the Dawntrail's final trial boss. (Please correct me if I am, because I have ONLY used the trust system when it meant fighting with Hades' and Hythlodaeus LOL). This is also me NOT including the dungeons that are locked behind side-quests. Because those are still considered "optional" along with PVP, Extremes, Raids, Savages, Ultimates, etc. I'm solely referring to dungeons and trials that are required to progress through the storyline.

[Kiurt]

850 posts in this thread and 30 other threads. All from a single post from a single person. OP is the most powerful person in the FFXIV community right now and has you all in a vicegrip.

One (more) note: a lot of you use the standard-issue "you should know the game by level 100 and 300 hours of play time" cope. And that's true! But what of the rest of the game? Are you seriously suggesting that Final Fantasy XIV is a good game while also requiring every player to trudge through 300 hours and 100 levels of absolute boredom? The entire game is single player until level 100. Final Fantasy XIV will experience a terminal decline in player count. While obviously this is the developers' fault, your new standard-issue cope is also at fault because you aren't even giving people the option of using a skip. Final Fantasy XIV can no longer be called a good game for the vast majority of gamers and I would never recommend a new player start now.

New players can do just fine. If they obviously want to learn and put a good attitude for it, unlike OP has shown in his reactions again and again and again. People can also skip, which isn't forbidden. If I have to talk from experience from 2 friends doing it, they do learn just fine by themselves, sometimes they get hit by something new, they're just like "Oh, that's how it works" and then proceed to do fine. Every game has a learning curve, if you don't want to take a bit of time to do like EVERYONE in this game did, then... your attitude isn't suited for a MMORPG.

I guess I'll just recommend the game to more people just to balance things out.

FFXIV already experienced a decline in player count during 6.1-6.5.

Game has been stall for years, gained popularity thanks to WoW decline (Jailer planned it btw) and streamers.

They need to renew their formula and take risks to keep the game interesting.

[AurisNix]

Can we cut it out with "the game maybe isn't for you anymore". I think we grew too accustomed to tell that to new players that criticize the game without finishing ARR, but you don't understand how awful is to say that to a person that sunk god only knows how many hours into the game, that the game they love is kicking them into the curb for no fault of their own, and you don't understand how disheartening it is because it's not being said to you.

And rest assured that the people that don't enjoy the game anymore won't be playing it, only WoW players keep playing a game they actively hate and even they have a limit.

Congratulations you do understand how the criticism towards Endwalker was born how ppl wanted to log into the game and play just to find that everything was boring, how there was no engaging content, how ppl felt they were forced to take a break of the game instead of being an option, how (in yoshi P words) falls asleep when doing content. Now you (hopefully) understand having boring braindead content is not good for retention, we dont even know how hard Dawntrail actually is cuz the more gear it drops easier it gets we all started the dungeons basically as a minimum item level and is not so different from other dungeons or raids but at least you have to use your eyes and actually play the game instead of just push foward button to clear.

And before you come with uhhh but savage but ultimate but extremes, alot of players (as some has stated here) dont do them dont care about do them and they rather have more fun and engagement in base content and DT did delivered making it more appealing will it be for everyone? absolutely no it never is but they wont and need to stop trying to please everyone. is the base normal content unplayable absolutely not unless you refuse to actually play the game.

Hopefully SE will have the same direction with everything that is to come cuz its been absolutely fun so far and I enjoy dying in a mech and figuring it out with the rest of my party makes the clear way more rewarding and satisfying.

[Capstone]

No, no. I clearly state that there were 11 pages before Arthars acted, if anything that reaffirms that first pages are the normal forum activity but after that is most likely the effect of raids. Arthars and the other rage baiters (yesterday I saw another video from a creator I don't know) did me a favor of invalidating the last 70 pages.

I posted on page 6; am I allowed to tell you that you have a bad take and you should actually try playing the game?

[Smoozie]

Can we cut it out with "the game maybe isn't for you anymore". I think we grew too accustomed to tell that to new players that criticize the game without finishing ARR, but you don't understand how awful is to say that to a person that sunk god only knows how many hours into the game, that the game they love is kicking them into the curb for no fault of their own, and you don't understand how disheartening it is because it's not being said to you.

I agree with the language used is overly harsh and exclusionary, but the opening and your later posts reads to me like you want to have a smooth experience without any friction or setbacks, ignoring the irony given the story of the game, that does give the impression that playing the current (casual) endgame of an MMO without using guides might just not be the right experience for you.

For example you say;

And it's not an issue of learning the fight, because that I can do, but we don't do this content alone, you know? I think it was the 4th time I was doing Valigarmanda when I finally managed to finish without dying myself, but that's a moot point when half the party was dead half of the time, even knowing the fight doesn't make it any less of a disheartening experience.

Mentioning 4 attempts, presumably done without any guides, before you finish the trial for a messy kill. To you this was somehow disheartening? To me and many others I know it reads like a triumph, you overcame the challenge and saved the world from Valigarmanda.

I truly don't want to put words in your mouth, but I struggle to interpret what you say as any other way, so please correct me if I misrepresented your preferred experience.

[Kiurt]

I posted on page 6; am I allowed to tell you that you have a bad take and you should actually try playing the game?

Nah, you don't share his opinion, he doesn't care about you since don't validate him.

[Deslyxic]

I posted on page 6; am I allowed to tell you that you have a bad take and you should actually try playing the game?

I'll allow it.