Yoshi P - Your next live letter, DT msq and the damage to the brand

[Voidmage]

The fact that you call it a yoshi-p cult is just, you can't be anything but a troll. The dude does more work than anyone ever on a game. He is routinely upfront about stuff, and has more interaction with the player base than any other mmo ever. It's no cult because he actually cares about the game and try's his best. No one hangs on every word and forgives him everything and thinks hes perfect. Hes just amazing at his job and people give him the respect he has earned for all the work he does constantly that goes beyond what a normal dev would do. Even giving a warning that 7.0 would be like this. He consistently takes the feedback and works on it it. While u might not have liked it many others did. As evident by all the other forums, rddits, discords out there. In which the negative opinions are in the minority. With the majority being along the lines of This was good, this was, bad, wonder what the rest of the story has in store, and what answers and new questions we will get. A large portion of the player base. Especially those that really are enjoying Dawntrail. Do not come to these forums because of people like you. Which is why you see people like you here. They english players see these forums as a cesspool for only the whiny babys who want mommy and daddy to fix everything they don't agree with. To the extent that players warn other players to not use these forums.

Sorry I have to comment on this.
The negative opinions on the other forums and on Reddit are the minority? Do you have numbers? I don‘t get that impression.
If anything Reddit is mixed and the other forums basically say the same thing as here.
The various media are more or less the user score from what I could gather.

I‘m tired of that argument of „your criticism doesn‘t matter because in my head you are just a few“.
You also post insults like „whiney babies“.
Ignore the Japanese forum and fabricate artificial arguments like „many“, „all the others“ and so on without any base.

I also don‘t remember him giving us a warning of another main character or sidelining the WoL to that extent.

Of all the comments in this thread yours is probably the one with the least amount of significance.


At the topic:
I don‘t think so.
It will probably only be a comment in some interview nothing more.
They have already written much of the patch story. There might be a few tweaks here and there but nothing else.

I think they will listen to the feedback because it doesn’t seem to be just a small minority this time and quite a number of content creators say the same thing.
The dungeons were changed because of far less feedback and they announced they will take feedback to decide the next way forward.

The actual question is how fast and in what form they will do that.
I guess 7.3 will be the earliest but for me that could be to late depenting how the patch stories before that are designed.i

I dont get all the drama about the story. Read a book or watch a movie if you want "story". Going trough the msq equals a 0,x % of most people playtime, so why even care about it

So the story is not important in a Final Fantasy game?
We shouldn’t care about it in the MMO that actively advertises its story compared to the competition and had its writer on stage with big applause in the past?
The game that actually sells Encyclopedias and has entire lore channels designed around it?
Wow.

[Nestama]

So the story is not important in a Final Fantasy game?
We shouldn’t care about it in the MMO that actively advertises its story compared to the competition and had its writer on stage with big applause in the past?
The game that actually sells Encyclopedias and has entire lore channels designed around it?
Wow.

I mean, there are people who were fine with and even loved the expansions story, though. Does their opinion not matter as much as those who did not like/hated the expansions story?

[Eyrilona]

I mean, there are people who were fine with and even loved the expansions story, though. Does their opinion not matter as much as those who did not like/hated the expansions story?

A successful product in a sector where reputation is everything, is not defined by "Some people liked it", it is defined by "Everybody liked it". So no, for the purpose of feedback and media coverage, the opinion of people that liked it does not matter as much as those who hated it, because we are not talking about a sampling of an unbiased population, we are talking about a sampling from the people that paid for and play FFXIV, so these would all be people that already used to like the game as a baseline. If your new expansion is panned by half the player base and liked by the other half, then you didn't score neutral, you just turned half of people that liked your game into people who no longer like your game. That is a huge loss. While the people that still liked it are not suddenly going to buy it twice to show their appreciation or anything, so you make no extra gains on the half that is being positive.

[Volgia]

A successful product in a sector where reputation is everything, is not defined by "Some people liked it", it is defined by "Everybody liked it".

Oh my god. What a take.

[DragonFlyy]

A successful product in a sector where reputation is everything, is not defined by "Some people liked it", it is defined by "Everybody liked it".

So by this definition FF14 is a complete failure from start to finish because I have seen some people say the entire story is bad and that makes the game bad. So because EVERYONE doesn't like it, that means it failed.

Hell of a "Failure" since it saved Square Enix.

[Evergrey]

So by this definition FF14 is a complete failure from start to finish because I have seen some people say the entire story is bad and that makes the game bad. So because EVERYONE doesn't like it, that means it failed.

Hell of a "Failure" since it saved Square Enix.

It's amazing how WoW that has the reputation that the quality of the story has dropped since WotLK and with Shadowlands that's been dubbed the worst expansion ever for WoW (if I'm not mistaken) is still online and subscription based.
Oh, and not to mention the reputation of its playerbase being completely toxic.
Reputation is everything. WoW should be long dead by now.
/s

[Malthir]

It's amazing how WoW that has the reputation that the quality of the story has dropped since WotLK and with Shadowlands that's been dubbed the worst expansion ever for WoW (if I'm not mistaken) is still online and subscription based.
Oh, and not to mention the reputation of its playerbase being completely toxic.
Reputation is everything. WoW should be long dead by now.
/s

WoW was so big that it's fall is taking longer than most, but if you look at the sub data they released recently and then adjust it to remove the WoW classic/HC subs, it's current sub count is as low as the worst part of WoD, it's getting lower and lower year on.
That being said all us gamers have the memory of goldfish so you're only really 1 great expac from completely revitalising your game.

[Zackneifein]

It's amazing how WoW that has the reputation that the quality of the story has dropped since WotLK and with Shadowlands that's been dubbed the worst expansion ever for WoW (if I'm not mistaken) is still online and subscription based.
Oh, and not to mention the reputation of its playerbase being completely toxic.
Reputation is everything. WoW should be long dead by now.
/s

WoW was never a story heavy game. It was an MMO where you play no one in a world with a marvelous lore, but there was close to no story about it, the "story" element where first introduce in Wotlk (and not even remotly closed to what FFXIV is doing) and they tried, expansion after expansion to make the "Adventurer" a true character like the WoL and include storyline, because that's what work now for MMORPG.

WoW reputation was mainly about always having something to do, PVP and endgame PVE. I will even say the toxicity of the playerbase was a plus at the beginning, simply because it was a faction based MMO (which became a problem when the "faction war" became stupid lore-wise). And while there was some better times than other, endgame PVE and PVP always worked quite well with WoW. Lore was the only part that was butchered.
WoW was so much high above the cloud, far above what FFXIV can't even dream off, that even by losing a significant amount of player, they are still number one. WoW Is in another planet with Fortnite, LoL or Roblox.

FFXIV reputation in mainly about the community and it's story. A community highly divided with the toxic positivity / negativity all around and a story that also is divisive.

Edit : some grammatical corrections + WoW can't be compared to FFXIV simply because not only WoW is far bigger than FFXIV, but Activision Blizzard was far bigger than Square Enix, they can assume losing millions of subs and compensate it, Square Enix can't.

[Raven2014]

FFXIV reputation in mainly about the community and it's story. A community highly divided with the toxic positivity / negativity all around and a story that also is divisive.

Yeah, if there is one area you don't want to see the players fractured or divisive in FF14, it's the story. Samething with WoW's end game, its lowest point wasn't when the story suck, but when it tried the most asine end game loop.

[Evergrey]

WoW was never not a story heavy game. It was an MMO where you play no one in a world with a marvelous lore, but there was close to no story about it, the "story" element where first introduce in Wotlk (and not even remotly closed to what FFXIV is doing) and they tried, expansion after expansion to make the "Adventurer" a true character like the WoL and include storyline, because that's what work now for MMORPG.

WoW reputation was mainly about always having something to do, PVP and endgame PVE. I will even say the toxicity of the playerbase was a plus at the beginning, simply because it was a faction based MMO (which became a problem when the "faction war" became stupid lore-wise). And while there was some better times than other, endgame PVE and PVP always worked quite well with WoW. Lore was the only part that was butchered.
WoW was so much high above the cloud, far above what FFXIV can't even dream off, that even by losing a significant amount of player, they are still number one. WoW Is in another planet with Fortnite, LoL or Roblox.

FFXIV reputation in mainly about the community and it's story. A community highly divided with the toxic positivity / negativity all around and a story that also is divisive.

WoW has always had a story. And long story going way back to the RTS games, the Warcraft series.
So it's not like the story never had a big part only because the player character wasn't the "chosen one".
But that's the thing, like you mentioned, even if WoW's story has been lackluster the gameplay is what has been the main attraction that's kept it floating.
So even if Dawntrails story is lackluster compared to the previous one, as long as the upcoming Dawntrail content is good people will enjoy it.
Or are people subconsciously admiting that FFXIV is a boring/bad game unless the story is good?
Is the story the only redeeming point FFXIV has?

Also, fun sidenote on WoW's toxic community.
Recently I saw a youtube video of someone who was going to test it out by acting like a complete noob.
5 runs as DPS - low dps and taking unnecessary damage, etc
5 runs as healer - spam 1 heal, etc
5 runs as tank - fail to keep aggro, etc
The result, no one yelled at him or was toxic. In fact many were very helpful and gave hints and tips.