Yoshi P - Your next live letter, DT msq and the damage to the brand

[Urielparadox]

The rather negative reception to the Dawntrail story, which you can see by the very active threads on the forums and mixed reviews on both Steam and Metacritic.

Anyway he’ll brush it off and announce some other inconsequential BS that everyone will slobber over. The YoshiP cult is strong like that.

The fact that you call it a yoshi-p cult is just, you can't be anything but a troll. The dude does more work than anyone ever on a game. He is routinely upfront about stuff, and has more interaction with the player base than any other mmo ever. It's no cult because he actually cares about the game and try's his best. No one hangs on every word and forgives him everything and thinks hes perfect. Hes just amazing at his job and people give him the respect he has earned for all the work he does constantly that goes beyond what a normal dev would do. Even giving a warning that 7.0 would be like this. He consistently takes the feedback and works on it it. While u might not have liked it many others did. As evident by all the other forums, rddits, discords out there. In which the negative opinions are in the minority. With the majority being along the lines of This was good, this was, bad, wonder what the rest of the story has in store, and what answers and new questions we will get. A large portion of the player base. Especially those that really are enjoying Dawntrail. Do not come to these forums because of people like you. Which is why you see people like you here. They english players see these forums as a cesspool for only the whiny babys who want mommy and daddy to fix everything they don't agree with. To the extent that players warn other players to not use these forums.

[Shibi]

DT is actually passable in French. Where I was skipping by the time I got to Tobli in the pelupelu on my first run through, then changing from English to Japanese and still skipping, I am doing my second character I need at 100, on French Language (Helps it's commonly spoken in our family).

Poochie is still poochie, but the sheer amateur hour feeling of the English VA and also the English localisation are gone.

In French the dialogue is far less cringe and the voice acting seems A-list quality.

But look at the English and you see real weak localisation and that broken performance by whoever did the English voice.

All they need to do to fix Dawntrail is get the French localising team to take a supervisory lead over the English. Maybe they can teach the English speakers in the US office of Square what quality reads and sounds like.

Story is still a shōnen meh-ness that is too young for the playing audience, however, at least it's not something you find being outshone by a poop emoji like the English sub-par effort.

[Tunda]

LMAO. 1.0? Get out of here, man.

it is definitely not 1.0 but it is a dumpster fire after 5 patches and 1 expansion

[Volgia]

Whoever comes here saying it's a failure like 1.0 wasn't there to experience it or doesn't remember how bad it was. I can't take anyone who makes that claim seriously.

it is definitely not 1.0 but it is a dumpster fire after 5 patches and 1 expansion

Who knows. I thought post HW with the Warriors of Darkness felt like bad filler and they surprised me with Shadowbringers later on.

[Tunda]

Whoever comes here saying it's a failure like 1.0 wasn't there to experience it or doesn't remember how bad it was. I can't take anyone who makes that claim seriously.



Who knows. I thought post HW with the Warriors of Darkness felt like bad filler and they surprised me with Shadowbringers later on.

that is the issue.. HW was a great expansion,, DT isn't

do you compare Niddhog and estenien ark vs sphene and wuk lamat ice cream ark?

[Volgia]

that is the issue.. HW was a great expansion,, DT isn't

do you compare Niddhog and estenien ark vs sphene and wuk lamat ice cream ark?

I will say that one of the reasons HW feels like a really good expansions its cuz you can contrast it coming out ARR which story and characters felt kind of generic.

Dunno, I find them to be DIFFERENT, not even comparable. I personally REALLY liked Sphene and Erenville, and I thought Wuk's story was nice and cozy the first arc around, I didn't find them to be perfect or beyond criticisms though.
If we are here to analyse the story I'm all up for it, but I am hesitant to give criticisms were it's due because it gets flooded with doomers, with Wuk Lamat haters and I don't want to invite the more extreme haters over to have a taken on it.

EDIT: I wanted to add that I find DT to be great expansion, even if I find the story isn't as strong as HW or ShB.

[Deejudanne]

damage to the brand? you're funny

[Voidmage]

The fact that you call it a yoshi-p cult is just, you can't be anything but a troll. The dude does more work than anyone ever on a game. He is routinely upfront about stuff, and has more interaction with the player base than any other mmo ever. It's no cult because he actually cares about the game and try's his best. No one hangs on every word and forgives him everything and thinks hes perfect. Hes just amazing at his job and people give him the respect he has earned for all the work he does constantly that goes beyond what a normal dev would do. Even giving a warning that 7.0 would be like this. He consistently takes the feedback and works on it it. While u might not have liked it many others did. As evident by all the other forums, rddits, discords out there. In which the negative opinions are in the minority. With the majority being along the lines of This was good, this was, bad, wonder what the rest of the story has in store, and what answers and new questions we will get. A large portion of the player base. Especially those that really are enjoying Dawntrail. Do not come to these forums because of people like you. Which is why you see people like you here. They english players see these forums as a cesspool for only the whiny babys who want mommy and daddy to fix everything they don't agree with. To the extent that players warn other players to not use these forums.

Sorry I have to comment on this.
The negative opinions on the other forums and on Reddit are the minority? Do you have numbers? I don‘t get that impression.
If anything Reddit is mixed and the other forums basically say the same thing as here.
The various media are more or less the user score from what I could gather.

I‘m tired of that argument of „your criticism doesn‘t matter because in my head you are just a few“.
You also post insults like „whiney babies“.
Ignore the Japanese forum and fabricate artificial arguments like „many“, „all the others“ and so on without any base.

I also don‘t remember him giving us a warning of another main character or sidelining the WoL to that extent.

Of all the comments in this thread yours is probably the one with the least amount of significance.


At the topic:
I don‘t think so.
It will probably only be a comment in some interview nothing more.
They have already written much of the patch story. There might be a few tweaks here and there but nothing else.

I think they will listen to the feedback because it doesn’t seem to be just a small minority this time and quite a number of content creators say the same thing.
The dungeons were changed because of far less feedback and they announced they will take feedback to decide the next way forward.

The actual question is how fast and in what form they will do that.
I guess 7.3 will be the earliest but for me that could be to late depenting how the patch stories before that are designed.i

I dont get all the drama about the story. Read a book or watch a movie if you want "story". Going trough the msq equals a 0,x % of most people playtime, so why even care about it

So the story is not important in a Final Fantasy game?
We shouldn’t care about it in the MMO that actively advertises its story compared to the competition and had its writer on stage with big applause in the past?
The game that actually sells Encyclopedias and has entire lore channels designed around it?
Wow.

[ServerCollaps]

I dont get all the drama about the story. Read a book or watch a movie if you want "story". Going trough the msq equals a 0,x % of most people playtime, so why even care about it

[Garnix]

That's interesting! Maybe the reason I found the expansion story to be pretty good was because I played in French then? I need to watch an English playthrough! But I am curious on what makes you say that. Because aside from the voices I assume it's pretty much the same... ( I heard some people criticize Wuk's English voice but that is not the main complaint I saw)