You pull you tank question.

[Naoki34]

The only time this saying doesn't work well is when it's the healer, but it's still a lot of fun to watch him die.

If it really bothers the You pull you tank, make the group run, that's fun too.

I also had the time when the group complained that I pull too fast and let me do the boss alone that I soloed and they cried and said “Go reset or report” (but they're going to report what? it's based on what you said in /party, I didn't insult them, but make them run), the MMO community in all its splendor. Well, I finished the boss in 15 minutes, which is fun. You're wasting my time and well...

[ObscuraFi]

I've been soloing Nidhogg EX unsynch since EW and with DPS classes, with absolutely not a problem.

Have you ever done a current EX or Savage on PUG? Clearly not. Being a Clemency user would get you quickly out of PFs, after all.

And while you may easily shrug 3 mobs, the DPS will have to be healed by your healer for the other 3 you refuse to take in order to fulfill your power trip. And if they're forced to use GCDs to keep them alive, this comes again to the detriment of everyone, including you. All because of you need you feel to important that you need to put the filthy DPS in their places.

Congrats, you proved the point. You're an entire 1-2 expansions late on solo'ing Nidhogg as a DPS compared to Tank. Exactly as what was stated.

When you're in a PUG situation and people are dying and there's no mana, the last thing that group cares about is optimizing damage when you're about to wipe. The goal is to see more mechanics or salvage a finish. Clearly you haven't done prog, watched prog, or been in any struggle instances before.

And the dps won't need to be healed. They'll be dead within 5s if the healer doesn't decide to blow something important in their kit to even attempt to save them and end up having to GCD heal to even try to keep the dps alive, or they can just let the dps die from the get go and spam aoe dps on the adds the tank has. I think most healers are going to pick letting the dps die and saving their heals for something important especially since spamming heals to try to save the dps, could end up in them dying as well if their enmity gets too high. No point in risking the party wiping over letting one person die.

[GTK0HLK]

The only time this saying doesn't work well is when it's the healer, but it's still a lot of fun to watch him die.

If it really bothers the You pull you tank, make the group run, that's fun too.

I also had the time when the group complained that I pull too fast and let me do the boss alone that I soloed and they cried and said “Go reset or report” (but they're going to report what? it's based on what you said in /party, I didn't insult them, but make them run), the MMO community in all its splendor. Well, I finished the boss in 15 minutes, which is fun. You're wasting my time and well...

If they didn't enter the boss room. Then that sounds like Lethargic Gameplay as they call it.

More so if the Battle Log shows that a whole bunch of previous battle buffs fell off. More so if the ones like Peloton fell off, or sprint.

Since if the party had the buffs on them. That means everyone is together to receive peloton. so they can't even lie about rushing ahead alone.

[Now a days, even if the party dies, and the boss is almost dead. it's fine if most tanks or two players solo it.]

[noelregnard]

So this guy:
- believes reprisal is enough for w2w pulll
- thinks clemency is a good skill
- thinks tanking is so complicated it's equal to real life combat
- thinks playing tank makes them intrinsically better and more important than DPS players despite sucking balls at tanking
- thinks being able to solo old content means anything of import
- thinks they're the main character and everyone must submit to their whim at all time
- uses an alt account just to show off their god complex and main character syndrome beyond the daily post limit

Did I miss anything?

[ObscuraFi]

But, as for "pot calling the kettle black", it's just wrong. See, majority rule applies here. I assume most people in duty finder are part of the majority. Everyone does. They can do double pulls and vast, VAST majority of my DF experience is double pulls.

Once more, someone proving the point. Vast majority of DF is double pulls, that's not wall to wall in every instance. Wall to wall is sometimes 3-4+ like the last section of Anamnesis Anyder, Stone Vigil, Bardam's Mettle, Doma Castle. The majority does not do wall to wall. 2 packs is what most tanks are comfortable with as their limit for their ability to carry. Anything past that is heavy reliance on the group and not something sprout tanks are going to comfortable with at all but will be forced on them by some dps's.

[SkyCake]

More of a "you pull, you spank" kind of gal myself. But, to each their own.

[BokoToloko]

Congrats, you proved the point. You're an entire 1-2 expansions late on solo'ing Nidhogg as a DPS compared to Tank. Exactly as what was stated.

When you're in a PUG situation and people are dying and there's no mana, the last thing that group cares about is optimizing damage when you're about to wipe. The goal is to see more mechanics or salvage a finish. Clearly you haven't done prog, watched prog, or been in any struggle instances before.

And the dps won't need to be healed. They'll be dead within 5s if the healer doesn't decide to blow something important in their kit to even attempt to save them and end up having to GCD heal to even try to keep the dps alive, or they can just let the dps die from the get go and spam aoe dps on the adds the tank has. I think most healers are going to pick letting the dps die and saving their heals for something important especially since spamming heals to try to save the dps, could end up in them dying as well if their enmity gets too high. No point in risking the party wiping over letting one person die.

Let me make it easy for you: Unsynched content. Does. Not. Matter. Say it with me a couple of times until it sinks. Unsynched content does not matter. At all.

Yeah. surely the party will surely survive continuous deaths during light party or pairs in EX1 because PLD used clemency to heal up the dodoheads. If you think Clemency usually salvages runs, you're completely delusional. Matter of fact: Tanks surviving already show mechanics. And PLD do not need Clemency for that.

The DPS can last more than 5 seconds and 5 seconds is more than enough for a healer to throw some thing as simple as an Afflatus/ED/Druochole/Lustrate. Single pulls are perfectly possible with a DPS tanking, so... nah, the healer can keep the DPS alive, even if it's at a expense the YPYT placed to begin with.

By the by: same world, puppet FC with one member.... posting (and upvoting yourself) with alts now, are we? This is taking a turn for the sad (already screencapped, so it's too late to hide lodestone profile).

Did I miss anything?

Judging by the names of the alt's FC and it's house, it wouldn't be farfetched to assume they're also hoarding several houses (and let's hope it's not as bad as holding an entire district). Which also makes this person's egotistical and narcissist personality, clearer. A DPS can't pull ahead of a tank that can more than easily handle it but they're pretty free to contribute towards the game's housing scarcity too.

I already have little respect for them before checking Lodestone but, somehow, they manage to lose some respect I didn't know was left.

[ObscuraFi]

Let me make it easy for you: Unsynched content. Does. Not. Matter.

It matters in the context of the example. If tanks put their foot down against dps and healers in an argument about raids, noone would complete content if healers and dps didn't bend the knee. Nothing is being done at tier. Full healer groups are not clearing. Full dps groups are not clearing. Healer/dps hybrid groups are not clearing. Full tank groups are not clearing. Everything is going to be an expansion down and tanks would be the first one to complete said content and meet the dps and sustain requirements if there was a feud. And when they are the first to meet the threshold of said content that noone completed previously, people will bend the knee and listen to what the tanks wanted to do before they wait an entire expansion+ for their role to be able to do the same. Tanks are the leader/deciding factor inside of a raid. If you do not want to wait a stupid long time period to finish content, you will need a tank that agrees with your decisions about content.

[noelregnard]

It matters in the context of the example. If tanks put their foot down against dps and healers in an argument about raids, noone would complete content if healers and dps didn't bend the knee. Nothing is being done at tier. Full healer groups are not clearing. Full dps groups are not clearing. Healer/dps hybrid groups are not clearing. Full tank groups are not clearing. Everything is going to be an expansion down and tanks would be the first one to complete said content and meet the dps and sustain requirements if there was a feud. And when they are the first to meet the threshold of said content that noone completed previously, people will bend the knee and listen to what the tanks wanted to do before they wait an entire expansion+ for their role to be able to do the same. Tanks are the leader/deciding factor inside of a raid. If you do not want to wait a stupid long time period to finish content, you will need a tank that agrees with your decisions about content.

You're so vain it'd be funny it it wasn't so sad

[BokoToloko]

It matters in the context of the example. If tanks put their foot down against dps and healers in an argument about raids, noone would complete content if healers and dps didn't bend the knee. Nothing is being done at tier. Full healer groups are not clearing. Full dps groups are not clearing. Healer/dps hybrid groups are not clearing. Full tank groups are not clearing. Everything is going to be an expansion down and tanks would be the first one to complete said content and meet the dps and sustain requirements if there was a feud. And when they are the first to meet the threshold of said content that noone completed previously, people will bend the knee and listen to what the tanks wanted to do before they wait an entire expansion+ for their role to be able to do the same. Tanks are the leader/deciding factor inside of a raid. If you do not want to wait a stupid long time period to finish content, you will need a tank that agrees with your decisions about content.

It matters not because the reality is, your tank philosophy isn't the average player's. Far from that, it's the one belonging to the bottom of the tank barrel. The average tank does not care. The tanks who do actually clear relevant content do not care either. So, yeah, most people, tank, healers and DPS who set to do content when it's relevant will eventually get it done far earlier than you because most of them will actually be competent and not... you.

You are not THE tank. You are A tank. And a terrible one, at that. You, specifically, are more than replaceable. There are better tanks out there and most don't throw the tantrums you do and have more game knowledge than you do. And, know what? They do not YPYT. Because they know better than to pull stupid stunts that do not benefit them at all.

And I don't need to wait for a tank that agrees with my decisions because the reality is that most tanks already know better than to do what you do. Duty Finder will do the rest and, in PF, I would be hard pressed to find a tank as incompetent as you that doesn't get kicked the moment they make their lack of knowledge clear for all to see. And, what¡s even better, I can also just pick a tank. And having read your horrible statements on tank gameplay, I know for a fact I can do a damn better job than you do.