Even our content creators cannot pretend to like the trashy writings of Dawntrail.

[ZavosEsperian]

I am with zepla. Atleast she FINALLY gets it. The story was just bad it is ok to tell the devs something is not good. If you keep lying saying everything was great that is how you get endwalker. To where the devs were falling asleep it was so bad but everyone kept saying must consume more content they can do no wrong. I cant believe the comments omg she just hates on the game for clicks. No she is telling the truth of what she thinks . Even the one who never says bad things about the game mr happy was not liking everything. The story is just not that great but if you like it that is ok too.

I haven't seen Mr Happy negative about the game ever. You wouldnt happen to have a link to something, even a Twitch Vod (no need for timestamp) to show this would you?

[ViaDesperare]

If your political opinions don't include trans people being safe, then no wonder that people who support trans people don't want to be friends with you.

Have you ever heard the saying that goes "If you're gay and the only interesting thing about you is that you're gay, then you're boring?"

I'll say this as a gay man, the LGBTQ+ crowd doesn't want to stand within the circle but above it. I know this, because my experience with the Q+ crowd is basically them yelling virtue signals at you and telling you you're wrong or a monster. People have to go with the crowd, or they'll be ostracized, which I don't have issues with, but many do. Imagine a colored-hair white woman, calling themselves a non-normal pronoun, telling you how to be gay... as a gay man... that's life and it sucks. It's not about being pro-gay or lesbian anymore, it's about being special.

- On topic:
It's good that the content creators are sharing their disdain for the story, because they're the most visible to YoshiP. Will they be lenient on the game? Yeah, because media tour, but the game will have to pull a WoW for CC to break down and strike back.
What we have to wait for is those specific scenes we all hated, which broke us, because chances are it's going to break some of the CC as well.

CCs won't touch certain subjects though, because we've seen what happened with Hogwarts Legacy with how the LGBTQ+ crowd maliciously attacked people like Pikamee. That's when the Vtuber crowd started hating the TQ+ crowd btw, like REALLY hate. Unless you can make a huge noise, best they're going to do is cover the story, but in a lighter note because the cult is cruel.

I'm waiting to see how the ending Trial will affect their view. Otherwise, I don't bother with CCs much because I have a life.

[Voidmage]

I haven't seen Mr Happy negative about the game ever. You wouldnt happen to have a link to something, even a Twitch Vod (no need for timestamp) to show this would you?

He basically said that he found it "ok", like a straight line. It had a few little ups and downs but mostly an "ok" story. I think that's quit a fair and neutral opinion of the MSQ.
Everything else, my opinion included, is subjective stuff adding to that because we have different things that are important to us.
Happy for example never did strike me as someone who cared more about his WoL then some of us. So sidelining them wont annoy him as much.

Tbh for him that's actually as negative of the story you can get.

So basically like with all access media people, an "OK" or a score of 7-8 is basically a subtle indictment.

Never expected Mr. Happy to rip the story apart. He isn't really the person for that and I can kinda see his viewpoint I guess?
In my opinion the review and opinion of Preach is a bit more interesting for me.

[ThorneDynasty]

He basically said that he found it "ok", like a straight line. It had a few little ups and downs but mostly an "ok" story. I think that's quit a fair and neutral opinion of the MSQ.
Everything else, my opinion included, is subjective stuff adding to that because we have different things that are important to us.
Happy for example never did strike me as someone who cared more about his WoL then some of us. So sidelining them wont annoy him as much.

Tbh for him that's actually as negative of the story you can get.

So basically like with all access media people, an "OK" or a score of 7-8 is basically a subtle indictment.

[Davixxa]

Have you ever heard the saying that goes "If you're gay and the only interesting thing about you is that you're gay, then you're boring?"

I'll say this as a gay man, the LGBTQ+ crowd doesn't want to stand within the circle but above it. I know this, because my experience with the Q+ crowd is basically them yelling virtue signals at you and telling you you're wrong or a monster. People have to go with the crowd, or they'll be ostracized, which I don't have issues with, but many do. Imagine a colored-hair white woman, calling themselves a non-normal pronoun, telling you how to be gay... as a gay man... that's life and it sucks. It's not about being pro-gay or lesbian anymore, it's about being special.

To a certain degree, yes. If you're gay, and the only interesting thing about you is that you're gay, then you're boring. Absolutely. I want to stand within the crowd as a trans person, but jfc is that hard when every few weeks I hear about yet another person murdered for being trans, or about yet another politician wanting to make our lives harder, and this being added on-top of the constant loud noise of the usual suspects saying they want trans people to be locked far into the closet or worse.

Trans people aren't at the same level of acceptance that gay, lesbian and bi people are yet, unfortunately. And the whole "LGB without the TQ+" movement is just a wedge trying to worsen all LGBTQ+ lives. Not just the trans/queer people. We're just the first to go.

- On topic:
It's good that the content creators are sharing their disdain for the story, because they're the most visible to YoshiP. Will they be lenient on the game? Yeah, because media tour, but the game will have to pull a WoW for CC to break down and strike back.
What we have to wait for is those specific scenes we all hated, which broke us, because chances are it's going to break some of the CC as well.

Agreed. Personally I find the story mostly inoffensive. I've got my gripes with it - Zone 6 feeling like a rehashed Amaurot for a lot of it.

CCs won't touch certain subjects though, because we've seen what happened with Hogwarts Legacy with how the LGBTQ+ crowd maliciously attacked people like Pikamee. That's when the Vtuber crowd started hating the TQ+ crowd btw, like REALLY hate. Unless you can make a huge noise, best they're going to do is cover the story, but in a lighter note because the cult is cruel.

Pikamee literally came back as Henya, by the way. The contract with VShojo was on its way regardless, and the Pikamee brand would have to be phased out anyway. I'm not defending the harrassment, but to claim this as some sort of martyr justification from the VTuber crowd is nonsense - and likely not the point at which they started hating us anyway. The people that claim to start hating us because of that likely had their own prejudices beforehand.

[ThorneDynasty]

What? Since when have I ever said that.

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What? That doesn't even make logical sense as a response. Read my post again with thought. And more importantly, read your own posts again with self awareness. You don't condone harassment? Really? You are constantly trying to convince us to cancel a streamer because they played a video game - The boycott of which involved a huge coordinated harassment campaign no less.

[Davixxa]

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What? That doesn't even make logical sense as a response. Read my post again with thought. And more importantly, read your own posts again with self awareness. You don't condone harassment? Really? You are constantly trying to convince us to cancel a streamer because they played a video game - The boycott of which involved a huge coordinated harassment campaign no less.

I'm not. I'm just saying that I personally don't consider Zepla a person worth listening to because of her past actions. My focus was more on J. K. Rowling than on Zepla, and you'd know that if you had read through my posts.

I wouldn't call the "Have they played that Wizard Game" site a coordinated harrassment campaign, though I can absolutely see how those sites inevitably turn into fuel for that. I'm personally of the opinion that the site should never have existed - no matter how well intentioned the site may have been. People are always gonna go vigilante on it, hence why the site got shut down after 2 days. Same can be said about LoTT, the difference being that they haven't stopped. And since someone else brought up the VTuber community, neither did they. They responded back doing the exact same, but going against anyone that dared be even slightly pro-trans (even if they condemned the harassment), and last I checked, that document was still online. Granted that's been a while.

[alfarini]

streamers and creators opinions don't matter to me, its one person like all of us. i liked all of DT and the side stuff, i liked being a side character in another's story of succession. not sarcastic i genuinely liked it. if these people influence your ideas or your looking for confirmation by cherry picking clips you don't think for yourself. this is just bait like most posts on NA forums.

[Fendred]

Honestly, I made a mental note of the random goldsmith guy's existence and didn't really put too much thought into him. It's when we hit the second act that there is a wholesale ignoring of the scions' capabilities that forces a particular story direction by not addressing those capabilities. There is no barrier to asking Ali to conjure Angelo to cure an aether-sick child, for example. Our traversal to the edge of the universe put us in contact with a technologically advanced galaxy spanning civilization of robots, but we get text saying the WoL has never seen technology so advanced as that of section 9. As for whether we can free an individual of undo magical influence, we cured Hraesvalgr's sister of primal tempering, and the intrepid heroes required for that feat are all present. These strengths are entirely ignored. The writing is only going to get worse if they keep ignoring Shadowbringers and Endwalker feats when the relevant characters are present.

[CNitsah]

streamers and creators opinions don't matter to me, its one person like all of us. i liked all of DT and the side stuff, i liked being a side character in another's story of succession. not sarcastic i genuinely liked it. if these people influence your ideas or your looking for confirmation by cherry picking clips you don't think for yourself. this is just bait like most posts on NA forums.

It's not about being confirmed, it's about them having more of a voice than us, so yeah, we're kinda glad some people that can reach farther than us share our opinion.