Please, dont bring Bojza back!

[VerdeLuck]

I liked Bozja, didn’t like Eureka, I don’t mind grinding stuff, weekly/daily grind is fine for me imo. But I’d honestly prefer relic stuff not tied to Eureka/Bozja content. Or just have more alternate routes to fully do the weapon without it. So you can do one or the other or both. I think Bozja did a little bit of that? But I did it at launch and with all the group content so IDK the extent of the split/alternate grind.

Manderville relic was fine until it got tied to poetics, but if you want all the weapons that’s the easiest one.

The thing I think people forget about the Manderville grind is it's very similar to the HW grind, they just consolidated all the items like sand into just one purchase. That tome grind is still 90% poetics dumping to buy items.
I think people misunderstand what people say, it's not that you CAN do it in the FO zone, it's that you MUST do it in the FO zone and must progress that zone to unlock the next steps. Also as mentioned the Timeworn step in Shadowbringers where the Bozja version of the step is way easier than outside by a massive margin. I did it entirely in POTD solo and it was weeks before I got enough RNG drops for it compared to a guaranteed drop in Bozja.
Were they to make it so that you could entirely progress inside or outside the zone and it was comparable in completion time and effort then I think people wouldn't be upset about it. However I think some FO players would be upset that less people would play their zones due to not being forced to enter the zone for the rewards.

[koko-on-da-forumz]

However I think some FO players would be upset that less people would play their zones due to not being forced to enter the zone for the rewards.

Literally no one cares, this is how Bozja works.

[VerdeLuck]

Literally no one cares, this is how Bozja works.

It is not how Bozja works, you need to complete the entire story to unlock the full relic steps. Someone who never sets foot in Bozja will at best get 2-3 steps and then will be unable to progress it until they unlock and complete Delibrum.

[koko-on-da-forumz]

Is that true? I don't think they're linked to the story quests. You can just get the timeworn whatevers from PotD.

[VerdeLuck]

Is that true? I don't think they're linked to the story quests. You can just get the timeworn whatevers from PotD.

The steps are locked behind the Bozja storyline yes, you need to beat Castrum and Delibrum or you cannot progress past the first glowing weapon.

[TaleraRistain]

Is that true? I don't think they're linked to the story quests. You can just get the timeworn whatevers from PotD.

They are linked to the story quests up to DR. You can finish a relic without Dalriada but you are required to do CLL and DR.

Trying to get CLL right now is especially bad because everyone just wants to level their vipers and pictomancers and people are ignoring CLL when it pops, at least on Aether.

[LynxDubh]

The thing I think people forget about the Manderville grind is it's very similar to the HW grind, they just consolidated all the items like sand into just one purchase. That tome grind is still 90% poetics dumping to buy items.

Did you do the HW relics before they were nerfed? Because this is absolutely false.

The HW grind back in the day had little to do with poetics. It used the current restricted tomestones. So you were gated by how much you could grind with those. Not to mention the multiple steps that did not use tomestones back then.

Just to list the steps:
-Animated: either grind fates for multiple crystal drops from each of the HW zones. Or turn in a Zeta weapon.
-Awoken: take your new weapon and do a gauntlet of 10 individual dungeons.
-Anima (aka Unidentifiable): grind out unidentifiables which costed gated tomestones at the time, beast tribe currency if you had them leveled, random raid drops, and other tedious methods. And you had to gather multiple crafts that were required to be high quality at the time, either through crafting with specialization, or paying a large sum.
-Hyperconductive: buy Aether Oil for current tomestones at the time.
-Reconditioned: Umbrite/Crystal Sand. You got them by various methods, current tomestones, through battle levequests, and through crafters/gatherers.
-Sharpened: daily quest that had you go through roulettes (currently can’t remember if you could use current tomestones back then)
-Complete: 3 dungeons then a hefty light farm then pneumite from GC seals, treasure maps, or tomestones.
-Lux: a victory lap through all of the hard mode and equivalent trials with a tomestone purchase after.

[VerdeLuck]

Did you do the HW relics before they were nerfed? Because this is absolutely false.

The HW grind back in the day had little to do with poetics. It used the current restricted tomestones. So you were gated by how much you could grind with those. Not to mention the multiple steps that did not use tomestones back then.

Just to list the steps:
-Animated: either grind fates for multiple crystal drops from each of the HW zones. Or turn in a Zeta weapon.
-Awoken: take your new weapon and do a gauntlet of 10 individual dungeons.
-Anima (aka Unidentifiable): grind out unidentifiables which costed gated tomestones at the time, beast tribe currency if you had them leveled, random raid drops, and other tedious methods. And you had to gather multiple crafts that were required to be high quality at the time, either through crafting with specialization, or paying a large sum.
-Hyperconductive: buy Aether Oil for current tomestones at the time.
-Reconditioned: Umbrite/Crystal Sand. You got them by various methods, current tomestones, through battle levequests, and through crafters/gatherers.
-Sharpened: daily quest that had you go through roulettes (currently can’t remember if you could use current tomestones back then)
-Complete: 3 dungeons then a hefty light farm then pneumite from GC seals, treasure maps, or tomestones.
-Lux: a victory lap through all of the hard mode and equivalent trials with a tomestone purchase after.

6 of those 8 steps you listed were "dump your current tomestones" which is exactly what Manderville was when it was current.

[Dogempire]

6 of those 8 steps you listed were "dump your current tomestones" which is exactly what Manderville was when it was current.

My memory is still hazy since this was back in 2016-ish, but back in the day when it was current the items for the relic were very costly in terms of tomes, and they offered more ways to get the items required for the relic instead of just buying them for tomes, like doing beast tribes, weekly quests, collectibles, Alexander raids, they could probably start making bicolored gemstones able to purchase relic mats for the quests.

You COULD use tomes but it was more for people who just log in to do dailies, the multitude of options were for people who actually wanted to grind for the relic or try to get it a little faster.

Plus in terms of tomes each step took several times the cap.

[DonutSteel]

6 of those 8 steps you listed were "dump your current tomestones" which is exactly what Manderville was when it was current.

Only two of those steps exclusively used tomestones, every other step that used tomes had them as an option.

Manderville was literally only tomes every step of the way.