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  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCheez View Post
    Pressing buttons isn't inherently interesting. I think a lot of people find the job more boring now because you don't need to pay attention to resources, you just press the shiny buttons.
    This! Exactly this
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCheez View Post
    Pressing buttons isn't inherently interesting. I think a lot of people find the job more boring now because you don't need to pay attention to resources, you just press the shiny buttons.
    You just pressed shiny buttons before this as well. Unless we are talking about min-maxing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank View Post
    You just pressed shiny buttons before this as well. Unless we are talking about min-maxing...
    Strongly disagree. Pooling resources for burst was the intended way to play the job. Playing a job via it's intended standard rotation is not min/maxing. If you don't draw this distinction, you could argue that doing your 123 combo instead of just spamming 1 is min/maxing.
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  4. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCheez View Post
    Strongly disagree. Pooling resources for burst was the intended way to play the job. Playing a job via it's intended standard rotation is not min/maxing. If you don't draw this distinction, you could argue that doing your 123 combo instead of just spamming 1 is min/maxing.
    More often than not that pooling is meant more of a leeway in case more important things procced.
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    Its not min maxing its playing the job as intended and this post is very obviously talking about high level savage/ ultimate play. Pooling resources is what made the job unique and if you're just hitting shinny buttons at high end theres a problem
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank View Post
    More often than not that pooling is meant more of a leeway in case more important things procced.
    No it isn't pooling meant going into burst with as much as possible in order to pump the most potency into buffs but also have extra procs to generate more feathers and even more potency to adapt to and manage. This resource management was the core aspect of gameplay for DNC and its been stripped away in DT.
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  7. #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank View Post
    More often than not that pooling is meant more of a leeway in case more important things procced.
    That just isn't true. Do you not think it's an interesting coincidence that all jobs work this way and they can all store enough resources to spend under buffs and not more or less?

    The game is currently designed such that all jobs pool resources to either spend under their own personal buffs every 1 minute or raid buffs every 2 minutes. That's just how the combat system works at a basic level.
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    Agreed. I understand job changes/updates always have their growing pains, but even in casual content, I would argue that DNC just doesn't feel good right now. It doesn't feel like they considered the way this affects past (particularly EW) content either, as you said. Two whole prior expansions that taught us to pool resources, and now we're suddenly being asked to unlearn that in favor of what feels like a slower, more rote burst rotation.
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    The 50 esprit is so annoying. The glut of Saber Dances pushes Fountainfall and Reverse Cascade out of Tech. And I miss the random feathers proccing in burst. I wish Tilana was reverted or just gave a Fourfold Fan Dance buff instead of the 50 Esprit.
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  10. #20
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    Shai Rae
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    I've been a DNC main since Shadowbringers and I feel it continues to play the same. I play it because I can do mega DPS damage, the rotation is so simple you could be braindead and I don't have to think while playing it. In Dawntrail it added some fun new dance moves that causes awesome damage.

    I have zero complaints. Keep it simple. It's the way I like it. I have had zero issues managing anything.
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