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    Quote Originally Posted by LuciferMournstar View Post
    Pelupelu? People who think only of profit and such? Yeah, we get it. We know that's a "Don't be an anti-semite" message for Jewish inclusion.
    wtf? I won’t go through all the paranoid uninformed garbage you posted but concerning that part, given the location and setting, the trading quests were no doubt roughly (in a caricatural way) inspired by the barter system in the Inca Empire. There was no money and the state would distribute basic necessities including food according to class. People would barter, trading one good for another was based on needs and not to accumulate riches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuciferMournstar View Post
    For the LAST TIME, I didn't say it was a BAD THING about the Pelupelu "don't be an anti-semitic" message. I didn't say it was a bad thing about the Eugenics or the nazi's and how it was horrible what the Nazi's did. "Connections that doesn't exist" is nothing more than you saying "Ignore where they got IRL inspiration for this part of the story cause it's uncomfortable to think about." I didn't ignore it thanks very much. Just like I got irritated about how Hilda was treated in HW cause she was a elf/human child. Just like how I couldn't stand the Garelenians slaughter of Ala Mihgans. I'm full on happy with important characters being whatever. I like Dawntrail, I like the story, I like Wuk Lemat, I like her english VA. That doesn't mean i'm going to willingly sit here and bury my fucking head in the sand and ignore crap when I see it.

    I didn't ignore the damn context of WHY the popcorn and ice cream was bad. I get the context, but that doesn't mean there wasn't subtle IRL dig behind it. Which AS I SAID is usually a harmless joke about british food being bland. Though in the OVERARCHING CONTEXT OF IRL IMPLICATIONS, it was a jab.

    You're just flat out ignoring IRL inspirations of points, to excuse everything because you don't want to face the fact there was some ugly IRL crap thrown in background. Yet another "It's a game, and i'm going to take everything at face value, ignore what I don't like, and pretend it doesn't exist." Though I guess for you, IRL context and parallels are only OK if they are "agreeable" to you.
    Is there anything at all more substantial to why you even think the pelu pelu are a stand in for Jewish people other than 'they value trade?' Anything at all?
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    All this talk about the pelupelu, and yet they existed for literally 21 years prior in FFX-2 and they would sell tickets. They even had longer duck bills than they do in dawntrail. Yet hardly anyone talked about them until dawntrail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright-Flower View Post
    Is there anything at all more substantial to why you even think the pelu pelu are a stand in for Jewish people other than 'they value trade?' Anything at all?
    Which is kinda funny because even if you try to make a stereotypical "Money hoarding, people abusing caricature Jew" connection, that does not work:
    The Pelu Pelu explicitly value beneficial trades for BOTH parties. They actually don't want to take advantage of their customers and promote unfair deals.

    The only exception to that seems to be the saddle maker, that jacks up the price in order to stall Wuk Lamat because he is against her becoming Dawnservant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright-Flower View Post
    Is there anything at all more substantial to why you even think the pelu pelu are a stand in for Jewish people other than 'they value trade?' Anything at all?
    The Duck Bills they wear? Hello? Almost all Anti-Semitic propaganda of Jewish people have them with comically large elongated noses. Guess that one slipped past you too... Again, stop being willfully ignorant to fit your narrative. Art imitates life, and as much as I approve of a lot of the DEI messages hidden, there is ONE I don't approve it because it promotes hatred. SBI has gone on record time and again promoting DEI, except for one group they want gone. Which you already know which group.
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    I can't wait for the PeluPelu to, en masse, move to Radz-at-Han and make the Arkasodara live in an open air prison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuciferMournstar View Post
    The Duck Bills they wear? Hello? Almost all Anti-Semitic propaganda of Jewish people have them with comically large elongated noses. Guess that one slipped past you too... Again, stop being willfully ignorant to fit your narrative. Art imitates life, and as much as I approve of a lot of the DEI messages hidden, there is ONE I don't approve it because it promotes hatred. SBI has gone on record time and again promoting DEI, except for one group they want gone. Which you already know which group.
    More paranoid ignorant garbage...Oh please get a better general culture. The footwear is similar to what peasant wear in those regions
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toutatis View Post
    More paranoid ignorant garbage...Oh please get a better general culture. The footwear is similar to what peasant wear in those regions
    Oh please, do tell me how their footwear debunks the fact they wear those mask for no real reason other than to distinguish they are PeluPelu. Is it to help them breath better in that altitude? Is it to filter out the smell of Alpaca's spitting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Which is kinda funny because even if you try to make a stereotypical "Money hoarding, people abusing caricature Jew" connection, that does not work:
    The Pelu Pelu explicitly value beneficial trades for BOTH parties. They actually don't want to take advantage of their customers and promote unfair deals.

    The only exception to that seems to be the saddle maker, that jacks up the price in order to stall Wuk Lamat because he is against her becoming Dawnservant.
    Did we forget the first PeluPelu? The one that was trying to get Wuk Lemat to buy clothes she didn't need cause "if she is going to be dawnservent, she needs nice new clothes." Also, the Hrothgar at the start who set out to buy some Alpaca Fleece, but after the PeluPelu got him drunk on Mezcal, he bought more than he intended to? Though sure, lets just forget that happened too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chasingstars View Post
    All this talk about the pelupelu, and yet they existed for literally 21 years prior in FFX-2 and they would sell tickets. They even had longer duck bills than they do in dawntrail. Yet hardly anyone talked about them until dawntrail.
    Tbf, 21 years ago, we didn't have people off their rocker like LuciferMournstar going onto something like gamefaqs to say ffx2's Tobli is a stand in for jews. Granted, every era will have its own brand of crazies. This era's crazies just happens to see SBI and wokeism everywhere, anywhere.
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