(Dawntrail End Spoilers) Why No Medieval Zones

[LuciferMournstar]

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Ah yes, the whole "don't read too much into it" excuse. The most loving "just let it go and accept it". Don't use "world lore context" as an excuse to be ignorant. Did you miss the part where I said "I didn't have a problem with it till Living Memory."? Don't give me that bullcrap about "oh this you, not the writers", the writers knew what angle they were going for. It's not an issue to use IRL context to make a story in game, but totally wrong to see where they got that story from IRL. Oh right, cause it's "uncomfortable". Also, as to the Yok-Hyu, winter or a disease, small "cause of" change there.

Cause everything outside of Solution 9 and such is DEI and therefore fine.

[LuciferMournstar]

What's really crazy is you'd think with how insane these people get over this stuff, they'd refuse to support anything remotely connected to anything "woke" but nope, here they are. It can't be THAT important to them, but you'd think their way of life was being endangered by how they talk.

Seems like both of you, the point I was making flew right over your heads. Did you not read the "I don't have a problem with DEI or Woke Ideology."? I don't care about what gets put in, I care about what SBi is trying to TAKE OUT. I care about the blatant ire and hatred toward a specific group of people, that's ALLOWED, when it's supposed to be inclusive and accepting of EVERYONE.

[Bright-Flower]

Ah yes, the whole "don't read too much into it" excuse. The most loving "just let it go and accept it". Don't use "world lore context" as an excuse to be ignorant. Did you miss the part where I said "I didn't have a problem with it till Living Memory."? Don't give me that bullcrap about "oh this you, not the writers", the writers knew what angle they were going for. It's not an issue to use IRL context to make a story in game, but totally wrong to see where they got that story from IRL. Oh right, cause it's "uncomfortable". Also, as to the Yok-Hyu, winter or a disease, small "cause of" change there.

Cause everything outside of Solution 9 and such is DEI and therefore fine.

You looked at a culture that values trading and decided 'these must be stand ins for Jews as an anti semitic message' and consider that a bad thing.

You looked at an invasion that failed because of a disease and eugenics and concluded these are jabs at nazis. (It's honestly also very weird to me that you not only made these connections in your head but also take issue with both the supposed anti semitic message you read into it but also take issue with the jabs against nazis.)

Every point you made is either you twisting things into connections that don't exist, or you cherry picking details to complain about. Like how I'm sure you never minded that the vast majority of important humanoid characters in the game are light skinned, and that's okay, but NOW that some memories of mostly white people got deleted, it's suddenly a problem here specifically. Or you ignore the context of WHY the popcorn and ice cream are bad in Living Memory in order to twist it into an attack against 'Europeans.'

If you want to be taken seriously come up with some serious points. This is just the kind of nonsense outrage merchants peddle to generate clicks. I'm only working the words you put out. You can say you're not against DEI but the points you're twisting things around to make suggest otherwise.

[LuciferMournstar]

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For the LAST TIME, I didn't say it was a BAD THING about the Pelupelu "don't be an anti-semitic" message. I didn't say it was a bad thing about the Eugenics or the nazi's and how it was horrible what the Nazi's did. "Connections that doesn't exist" is nothing more than you saying "Ignore where they got IRL inspiration for this part of the story cause it's uncomfortable to think about." I didn't ignore it thanks very much. Just like I got irritated about how Hilda was treated in HW cause she was a elf/human child. Just like how I couldn't stand the Garelenians slaughter of Ala Mihgans. I'm full on happy with important characters being whatever. I like Dawntrail, I like the story, I like Wuk Lemat, I like her english VA. That doesn't mean i'm going to willingly sit here and bury my fucking head in the sand and ignore crap when I see it.

I didn't ignore the damn context of WHY the popcorn and ice cream was bad. I get the context, but that doesn't mean there wasn't subtle IRL dig behind it. Which AS I SAID is usually a harmless joke about british food being bland. Though in the OVERARCHING CONTEXT OF IRL IMPLICATIONS, it was a jab.

You're just flat out ignoring IRL inspirations of points, to excuse everything because you don't want to face the fact there was some ugly IRL crap thrown in background. Yet another "It's a game, and i'm going to take everything at face value, ignore what I don't like, and pretend it doesn't exist." Though I guess for you, IRL context and parallels are only OK if they are "agreeable" to you.

[eohippus]

for what its worth, I will say that a genuine fusion of medieval elements with the north american or south american setting would've been really cool...cahokia with castles would have been cool! cliff dwellings with crenellations! it wouldn't be any more 'out of place' than the south east asian elements that were combined into the setting this time around. the game has always done a lot of work of picking and choosing different cultural inspos and blending them together, and I felt like that was in some ways lacking a little in this one. (especially when it came to the north america expy, where I guess they just gave up at 'old west town', 'pueblo,' and 'uninspired combination of wigwams and tipis.') but I am also saying that as someone who has always thought that fusion takes on quasi-medieval settings are really fun so this is mostly a personal taste thing lol.

[CuteBucket]

Lets see here... Oh yeah. 1. Erenville being their poster boy of screeching "DON'T DEAD NAME ME!" First with Gulool Ja Ja, then his friend in Shaalaoni, then his mother. They couldn't resist even sneaking it in again when his mother was giggling on the Capybara ride, about his real name meaning "Mallard" like a duck. "I"LL THANK YOU NOT TO CALL ME THAT!!!! REEE!" 2. Mamool Ja being obsessed with breeding a two-head was an obvious Eugenics and "breeding purity" jab ala Nazi Experiments. Makes sense story wise, but don't think I didn't notice it. 3.Pelupelu? People who think only of profit and such? Yeah, we get it. We know that's a "Don't be an anti-semite" message for Jewish inclusion. 4.The Yok-Huy? As if that wasn't the old "Don't invade russia in winter" story from the nazis again. 5. Iq Br'aax, making xibruq pibil was all about sharing food and spices, know they local ingredients and such, now that plays in later. Read it down a bit about the "Popcorn Bit".

Go into New Game+ and check out the NPCs In Living Memory. All but maybe 4-5 Elzen Duskwight and Erenville's mother, very "light skin tone", but these are the ones who get "wiped out." Sure we learn a bit about them, but barely anything. Oh lets not forget the popcorn bit, where their food is the only one that sucks. Which sure, is usually a funny joke on British food being bland cause they can't handle spices. Though that was definitely a dig at Europeans, not to mention all the aforementioned Archeo Alexandria. Also, just so happens the Alexandrians are the "evil ones who take souls and are an affront to nature."

Thank you for this, it made me smile. This is going in my Legendarily Bad Takes folder to bring me and my static joy along with our other classics we've gathered off Twitter like "You can't dress your character in Yanxia fashion if you're not Chinese IRL," "I think everyone in Eorzea is a transphobe and Haurchefant is a chaser," and "Emet-Selch LITERALLY invented fascism!!" We need new material from time to time, you see.

[DamianFatale]

What is this thread.

[4clubbedace]

Oof! North American indigenous peoples are more than just «Native American» (an outdated term btw) nomadic tribes. Several groups were sedentary and North America is not just the USA. Btw the «Aztec stuff» was in North America, not South America. As for European presence in North America, the Vikings made their way there centuries before Columbus and the others that came after.

There were many cultures and civilizations is what is known today as the American continent.

the common idea of the NAtive US groups are either those in the NE (like the irriqois confederation) or groups that would be known as "plains indian", neither of these groups are in dawntrail very much as inspirations, most of dawn trail take insperation from the incan empire (and surronding groups in chile and peru), midland mexico of aztec and mayan, and some associations of Arizonan/new mxico groups, such as notable inspirations of the cliffside rock dwellings used by ancestors of the Sinagua/ Hopi

Well you got your wish with SBI's Woke Agenda Hatred shining through with this one.

buzz off

[Shibi]

I don't think there is much North American in the expansion outside of 'Pueblos' and 'Yukatan' with a smattering of 'Taíno/Lucayan' and 'Rastafarian'.

None of these groups had Mediæval architecture, because the Mediæval period is ~500-1500CE in Europe.

Could the Alexandrians have had European-like castles... maybe, especially if one considers Alexandrians as the Conquistador invading with the aim to steal all the riches (in the form of souls instead of gold), but we saw an abandoned circa 1700s proto-Alexandrian town for them, so it's very possible with it's run down state, they didn't have much of a regard for history.

Preferring as part of their social makeup to archive history into the cloud, rather than maintain the physical.

[Granyala]

Maybe romanticizing a time period where much of humanity was at its darkest isn't everyone's cup of tea?

I'm sick of medieval crap being shoved down my throat as if it were a pleasant time period for anyone other than the male rulers and possibly their knights\advisors.

At least someone gets it.
I never understood the infatuation with this time period either.

Yeah playing Knights and Magi is fun, absolutely. But in real historic context that time was just bloody hell on earth for literally everyone except the ruling elite.

Btw the «Aztec stuff» was in North America

Ah yeah I confused them with Inca. Aztec were in Mexico, Inca in SA.