Give back pre-DT models back NOW

[Aurumis]

Why are now people insulting this thread and the people who want the models fixed. Go away if you don't agree.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Why are now people insulting this thread and the people who want the models fixed. Go away if you don't agree.

It's funny how, no matter what the argument is around here, one side or another always ends up with "if you don't like it, leave".

[ConantSivrha]

Why are now people insulting this thread and the people who want the models fixed. Go away if you don't agree.

See, normally I’d want to say something like “discussion is part of the point of this forum, a thread where everyone agrees isn’t the only good kind of thread”. But the majority of posts I’ve seen against further revisions to character faces have either been intentionally inflammatory or thoughtless/low-effort.

For the most part, people don’t even describe what they like about the new models, or what they think we are supposed to like about them. Sometimes they don’t even claim to like them in the first place. They just say “your character looked bad before/looks better now” without knowing what the player intended the character to look like, “there’s no difference, all of you are just crazy/need to get a life”, “you won’t care in a week”, “stop whining/throwing a temper tantrum/demanding the devs do whatever you want”, baseless assertions that people are lying about being dissatisfied or that those dissatisfied with the update are so few in number that they couldn’t possibly matter, “No. /10char” and so on. Even I can come up with more good to say about the update than most of these posts that were, supposedly, made in support of it.

To put it simply, this kind of behavior seems less like genuine participation in a discussion and more like a cynical attempt to bury others’ feedback under a tidal wave of white noise.

I’ve been trying not to get too deep into tangential meta-debates responding to the response to the response to the update. But most threads on the subject of our characters’ updated appearances have become a pain to dig through if you’re looking for actual commentary on the update itself, and it’s becoming increasingly difficult to ignore the reason why.

[grinkdaboy]

See, normally I’d want to say something like “discussion is part of the point of this forum, a thread where everyone agrees isn’t the only good kind of thread”. But the majority of posts I’ve seen against further revisions to character faces have either been intentionally inflammatory or thoughtless/low-effort.

For the most part, people don’t even describe what they like about the new models, or what they think we are supposed to like about them. Sometimes they don’t even claim to like them in the first place. They just say “your character looked bad before/looks better now” without knowing what the player intended the character to look like, “there’s no difference, all of you are just crazy/need to get a life”, “you won’t care in a week”, “stop whining/throwing a temper tantrum/demanding the devs do whatever you want”, baseless assertions that people are lying about being dissatisfied or that those dissatisfied with the update are so few in number that they couldn’t possibly matter, “No. /10char” and so on. Even I can come up with more good to say about the update than most of these posts that were, supposedly, made in support of it.

To put it simply, this kind of behavior seems less like genuine participation in a discussion and more like a cynical attempt to bury others’ feedback under a tidal wave of white noise.

I’ve been trying not to get too deep into tangential meta-debates responding to the response to the response to the update. But most threads on the subject of our characters’ updated appearances have become a pain to dig through if you’re looking for actual commentary on the update itself, and it’s becoming increasingly difficult to ignore the reason why.

to be fair with all of this we have to accept that the 2d and 3d graphical artists at se have their own vision for how they want characters to look. plus with many of the changes who can really say if each individual customization was always 100% intended to look that way or was accomplished with graphical tricks or settling when what they wanted to create exceeded the sort of technological budget they had for creating them. to me it is likely that many of these changes could have been what they always wanted them to look like if not for the old 1.0 graphical and lighting limitations

[xbahax92]

Why are now people insulting this thread and the people who want the models fixed. Go away if you don't agree.

I can tell you why. Some people act like serious egoists. They want their way of designs and likes, but shit on those, who are actually happy with the new update.
One might say, it's great that you care so much about your models, but most posters forget one important thing. If SE changes something - will inevitable lead to the next wave of people that want the changes reversed. Something YOU might not like, might be in favor for others. Instead of demanding the return of old textures, people could ask for more creator options, but I dont see that.

Well, this how the thread started, didnt it?

[Einnecy]

I can tell you why. Some people act like serious egoists. They want their way of designs and likes, but shit on those, who are actually happy with the new update.
One might say, it's great that you care so much about your models, but most posters forget one important thing. If SE changes something - will inevitable lead to the next wave of people that want the changes reversed. Something YOU might not like, might be in favor for others. Instead of demanding the return of old textures, people could ask for more creator options, but I dont see that.

Well, this how the thread started, didnt it?

Outside of this thread, which I personally very rarely tune into because I think asking for the old models is a lost cause, there are threads popping up asking for more customization options and I think the general consensus in the main discussion megathread is that adding more customization would be a good compromise.

Here's two threads that immediately come to mind. I encourage more people to voice their support, be it by commenting or making new threads entirely!
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-customization
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...es-we-once-had

[Aurumis]

I can tell you why. Some people act like serious egoists. They want their way of designs and likes, but shit on those, who are actually happy with the new update.
One might say, it's great that you care so much about your models, but most posters forget one important thing. If SE changes something - will inevitable lead to the next wave of people that want the changes reversed. Something YOU might not like, might be in favor for others. Instead of demanding the return of old textures, people could ask for more creator options, but I dont see that.

Well, this how the thread started, didnt it?

So just because some people got lucky, the rest of us have to live and shut up any commentary about wanting our characters back? Fixing or giving us more options is the solution. Being emphatic with the people who are unhappy. Or just because you live in your bubble people who are dying and suffering in wars don't matter? They have a say too. They also want to be happy. This is the same, some of us got the end of the stick here. We want to be listened too, and fix what can be fixed because they surely changed some models too much. Or the eyes are now looking DEAD INSIDE. If a tiny fix makes our characters look more like before, why not?

The cat eyes with the slit pupils in Sun miqo'te are GONE, thanks to that horrible shadows they added, changing the colors, and adding an eyelid hiding the eye more than ever. in some models. This is not an upgrade no matter how you see it.

The title may not be the best, but it makes it stand out precisely because it's demanding.

[Eyrilona]

I can tell you why...

So just because...

Um, guys? Take a step back please and breathe, then look at this again, because you do not actually seem to be in disagreement with each other? You are both saying they shouldn't sacrifice one set of appearance options for another, you just disagree on which set you'd prefer they keep. It sounds to me like instead of bickering with each other you could add your combined energy to speak up together for more character options so that this wouldn't have to be an either/or situation in the first place?

[Cheapshot]

Um, guys? Take a step back please and breathe, then look at this again, because you do not actually seem to be in disagreement with each other? You are both saying they shouldn't sacrifice one set of appearance options for another, you just disagree on which set you'd prefer they keep. It sounds to me like instead of bickering with each other you could add your combined energy to speak up together for more character options so that this wouldn't have to be an either/or situation in the first place?

Yeah I agree. People defensive of features they’ve had for two weeks are criticizing people attached to features they’ve had for up to 10 years yet convinced there’s no common ground. In my head it makes more sense to stick with the features that people have had for 10 years and add the new ones in as options but you could flip that and I would honestly just be relieved either way. Not like I’ve used the free fanta, or even my original free fanta. I’d even pay for one at this point if it meant I could go into CC and get my eyes, nose and mouth back.

I just want my character to look like my character again, like this:

[Granyala]

I just want my character to look like my character again, like this:

Agreed.
Cataract eyes are annoying and I still think they could let the iris shimmer a bit more (it was even worse in Benchmark MKI).