Frontlines sucks Ultra megathread

[Mawlzy]

How about give people a reason to learn instead of stripping rewards entirely from the losing teams? The only thing you'll accomplish with that sort of system is the system collasping on itself. You get rid of those that are bad. Them someone within the remaining group must now become a baddie. Games start to get sweaty, and constant sweaty games aren't fun forcing more to back away until the mode is dead entirely. Very horrible idea.

I think the problem is that with the majority of games being decided by which team has the premade, along with a general lack of agency when you're 1 player out of 24, it's really difficult to find tricks that encourage people to learn.

[Mistress_Irika]

I think the problem is that with the majority of games being decided by which team has the premade, along with a general lack of agency when you're 1 player out of 24, it's really difficult to find tricks that encourage people to learn.

I've already gave a tip on how to deal with premades: sandwich them. I've only seen one who was able to consistently get out of sandwiches, and that was nearly 5 years ago. Everyone other group gets swallowed alive. Premades are horrible at getting out of sandwiches, let alone avoid them. Find your dominating team and sandwich them the moment they try to farm the other team.

Will I see this being executed though? No. Either everyone is going to farm the last place team and premades take over from there, or someone is going to play the "let then fight" card before being farmed from the more powerful team 5 mins later. If the last place team decides to rage quit then being sandwiched while in second place will be a bonus. I'm not expecting for the above to be used. I'm expecting for another rule change to take place like it has been for quite some time now.

[Mawlzy]

I've already gave a tip on how to deal with premades: sandwich them. I've only seen one who was able to consistently get out of sandwiches, and that was nearly 5 years ago. Everyone other group gets swallowed alive. Premades are horrible at getting out of sandwiches, let alone avoid them. Find your dominating team and sandwich them the moment they try to farm the other team.

Will I see this being executed though? No. Either everyone is going to farm the last place team and premades take over from there, or someone is going to play the "let then fight" card before being farmed from the more powerful team 5 mins later. If the last place team decides to rage quit then being sandwiched while in second place will be a bonus. I'm not expecting for the above to be used. I'm expecting for another rule change to take place like it has been for quite some time now.

Clearly there are responses. My primary issue is I intensely dislike playing on the same team as a premade, and find the playstyle a premade forces the match down to be boring.

[Mistress_Irika]

Clearly there are responses. My primary issue is I intensely dislike playing on the same team as a premade, and find the playstyle a premade forces the match down to be boring.

Honestly, I don't think I can offer you a solution...not with the current kits, rules, and balances that we have. All you can do at this point is pray that Yoshi finds a solution that doesn't screw a group over (which is just a fabled dream). As much as I want more close games I also do not feel like being forced to play solo only with no way of creating your own games. I already deal with this in crystal conflict.

[Mawlzy]

Honestly, I don't think I can offer you a solution...not with the current kits, rules, and balances that we have. All you can do at this point is pray that Yoshi finds a solution that doesn't screw a group over (which is just a fabled dream). As much as I want more close games I also do not feel like being forced to play solo only with no way of creating your own games. I already deal with this in crystal conflict.

Yeah understood, and I completely get why people want to queue with friends. As I've mentioned before, from SQEX point of view they are simply not going to tolerate the behavior of some premades that takes a 33% par win-rate to 70%+. In other words, the premades are simply too good at what they do. But hopefully some solution can be found that allows all camps to be catered to.

[Mistress_Irika]

Yeah understood, and I completely get why people want to queue with friends. As I've mentioned before, from SQEX point of view they are simply not going to tolerate the behavior of some premades that takes a 33% par win-rate to 70%+. In other words, the premades are simply too good at what they do. But hopefully some solution can be found that allows all camps to be catered to.

That's just how it by design. There's no getting past that. I ran my casual 8 man premade for the last 6 weeks before it was yeeted. The only thing we had was a good defense. We stayed together. However, we had no shot caller, and we were very horrible with gathering kills. Despite this, if there was no other premade in our room our win rate was around 60% for that time period. Not close to the 70% - 90% that people have done, but close enough to where it could be called a problem. If there was another premade, however, the win rate drops to 0%, my only personal proof that it's impossible to balance games around premades. I wouldn't be surprised if half of your games you're with a casual premade that is just here for experience points. People do be doing that to enjoy time with each other instead of suffering solo q. However, it does be hard to tell with the lack of matchmaking. All you see is the dominating group. That's it.

[Mawlzy]

That's just how it by design. There's no getting past that. I ran my casual 8 man premade for the last 6 weeks before it was yeeted. The only thing we had was a good defense. We stayed together. However, we had no shot caller, and we were very horrible with gathering kills. Despite this, if there was no other premade in our room our win rate was around 60% for that time period. Not close to the 70% - 90% that people have done, but close enough to where it could be called a problem. If there was another premade, however, the win rate drops to 0%, my only personal proof that it's impossible to balance games around premades. I wouldn't be surprised if half of your games you're with a casual premade that is just here for experience points. People do be doing that to enjoy time with each other instead of suffering solo q. However, it does be hard to tell with the lack of matchmaking. All you see is the dominating group. That's it.

Oh I imagine I'm unaware of many casual premades, and that's absolutely fine. I don't have some vendetta against party queueing, just the way it is currently abused. That said, when people claim they are just casually queueing with friends in the current meta, I find it amusing to ask what group composition these 4 friends have settled on. There's an awful lot of gaslighting around this issue, with people currently benefitting from it pulling out all the stops to defend what I regard as the indefensible.

Similarly commanders playing the victim card because someone on their team pushed back against them spamming chat, despite the fact nobody asked to be commanded in the first place. One might suppose such commanders would ask themselves why they are massively unpopular. Instead they simply point fingers at the stupidity of filthy casuals. Complete lack of self awareness.

[Crusader1]

its easy to be good when they use programs that target ignore guarded, buffed enemies and priortize debuffed or low hp enemies instantly while us legit players have to target scroll. DK's who can magically time their lb to when a ninja or monk lbs them and survive what would kill a normal player of DK, or having players who are healers that can heal team mates instantly without even targeting them cuz their program does it for them. SMH the amount of garbage these premade "champions" use is beyond disgusting. Also the number of players on these premade that can get two unanimated heal ticks when i monk lb(its always two ticks, weird how so many different players have the exact same reaction to a monk lb, huh?). I dont know about you but when i get monk lb i cant do anything my bar goes grey until its over but these players always perform a two tick heal to survive my monk lb.