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  1. #51
    Player
    Zolvolt's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    498
    Character
    Zolmation Volt
    World
    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Blue Mage Lv 70
    ANYONE who intentionally refuses to play the duty, perform the duties of their role, or cooperate with others in order to see the duty to completion is breaking ToS and is classified as griefing.

    "you pull you tank" is classified as this in every case.
    Letting someone die intentionally is classified as this in every case.
    Rescueing someone into something on purpose is classified as this in every case.
    Not pressing your damage buttons on purpose, or intentionally only spamming the one weakest ability is classified as this in every case.
    Abusing the kick-system to remove players who do not listen to you, or who do not play the way you want them to, but otherwise the player is still cooperating in the completion of the duty would also be classified as griefing.

    GM's will primarily use chat logs to determine what is happening. GM's will also look at player location data and actions used by players to see who is doing what at the time of the incident.
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  2. #52
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    Priddy's Avatar
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    Character
    Kamran Pridley
    World
    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    Viper Lv 100
    YPYT is lethargic gameplay and is reportable.

    It is also a symptom of an insecure and bad player. When you encounter these people, simply report, kick, ignore, and move on.
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  3. #53
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    Boblawblah's Avatar
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    Shara Dei-ji
    World
    Ultros
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 90
    If someone pulls something, I'm going to assume they actually bring it to the rest of the mobs I'm hitting, if not, they why did you pull? Pull it into my AOE please, I suck, I need all the help I can get lol
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  4. #54
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    Reimmi's Avatar
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    Character
    Nia Niyah
    World
    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 100
    YPYT is soy energy
    I am the tank, oh you pulled more mobs? LOVELY bring them to me my brothers so we may all relish in the glory of COMBAT

    As a tank main if people are doing that for me that just tells me i'm not going fast enough, and i must put on my running shoes
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  5. #55
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    Supersomething's Avatar
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    Character
    Zivah Relana
    World
    Zalera
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 100
    Speaking as a primarily tank player this is extremely childish. Considering the extreme linearity of the dungeons for this game if a healer or dps wants to speed things up then lets go. If we die, we die and I get to giggle.
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  6. #56
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    Boblawblah's Avatar
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    Character
    Shara Dei-ji
    World
    Ultros
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Reimmi View Post
    YPYT is soy energy
    I am the tank, oh you pulled more mobs? LOVELY bring them to me my brothers so we may all relish in the glory of COMBAT

    As a tank main if people are doing that for me that just tells me i'm not going fast enough, and i must put on my running shoes
    What's wrong with soy? I like soy...
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  7. #57
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    VoidsentStatus's Avatar
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    Voidsent Veneer
    World
    Halicarnassus
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Tint View Post
    Well here are the rules:



    So yes refusing to tank is against the rules. But running ahead and start pulling could be considered "uncooperative behavior" and "aiding the enemy" as well.
    This, but also you have possible violations under MPK or compelling a player style depending on the details of the situation. YPYT is actually the default stance any developer would have/lean toward simply because they're not going to allow any group of players in a given content to be able to force any amount of stress onto a tank regardless of their personal comfort level. A developer is not going to see a party member run ahead and pull another 3-6 adds, nearly die potentially and drain healer resources, and add uncalculated stress to the tank and justify that behavior and force the tank to take aggro and possibly die in the process. You're compelling a fixed playstyle that isn't demanded in the content itself. Where people mess up is how they respond. By stating that you aren't tanking on purpose and without stating a reason, you open yourself up to a violation because now you're not cooperating with the team and it's not for a reason. All you have to do is not say anything in chat. You can single target and say that you're playing the game the same way as trusts taught you to focus down one target at a time. You can state that you think you'll die and you're not comfortable. You can say that you're lagging. You can just not say anything at all. As stated in Prohibited Behaviors, being apathetic, adversarial is fine. The gameplay is never going to get you a violation, only the speech showing intent to punish a player will land in a possible sanction.
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    Last edited by VoidsentStatus; 07-11-2024 at 04:46 AM.

  8. #58
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    Garolymar's Avatar
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    Character
    Serkonius Garolymar
    World
    Exodus
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 100
    I've always played tank in most mmos, if somebody pulls off you or they pull early, or accidentally or whatever, it's the tanks job to get it back and protect the group. If you're gonna throw a hissy fit over an add that takes a single aoe attack to regain threat maybe you shouldn't be playing tank.
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  9. #59
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    Character
    Alyko Cautes
    World
    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Archer Lv 53
    As a tank - the pulls will go smoother if the tank initiates the pull. However it's one GCD to get things under control again. So it's not optimal, but not a dealbreaker.

    And I've never encountered this behavior on the JP data centers. What a strange mindset.
    (2)

  10. #60
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    TheOperator3712's Avatar
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    Character
    Aldous Axehand
    World
    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Alyko View Post
    As a tank - the pulls will go smoother if the tank initiates the pull. However it's one GCD to get things under control again. So it's not optimal, but not a dealbreaker.

    And I've never encountered this behavior on the JP data centers. What a strange mindset.
    You've never encountered it on JP, because JP players expect a modicum of skill from each other. NA and EU seem to like coddling the lowest common denominator and wasting everyone else's time.
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