"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

[Malthir]

Yes, it's okay. There is nearly no penalty for death in FFXIV and if you wipe, that's fine and you just laugh it off and try again. If a DPS pulled, then it becomes obvious the tank or healer couldn't handle it.
There's a difference between failing to do your job, and not even trying to do it in the first place.
How would you feel if DPS players stop AoEing because the tank wouldn't get a lone ranged mob into the pack? If a healer decided to start rescuing players into insta death mechanics because the tank wouldn't say "Thank you" after every GCD heal? Hell, a couple days ago I ran into some lunatic healer who refused to heal the tank because he wouldn't pop his invuln on the last mob in the pack.

I'm saying all this as a tank main and I want to see people be nice to each other in Duty Finder rather than come with this hateful, arrogant behavior. I always try my best and I join the queue with the expectation that everybody else will too.
I don't pull extra mobs because I know the tank might have a legitimate reason not to, but damnit if somebody does pull I'm going to do my very best.

Honestly wouldn't care less if the DPS suddenly decide to stop AOEing trash packs. It's fine if the fight takes longer, I'm focused on keeping aggro, my rotation, avoiding AOE's without moving mobs too much and staying alive. You can say it till you're blue in the face, since you seem to be avoiding any logical arguments made against you point. It doesn't change the fact that 1 person in this party gets to decide how many mobs you fight at once and it's the guy getting hit by those mobs.

[loosie]

So you just ignoring what I said about CD's.

No, I'm saying it doesn't matter. If you die you die.

It's fine if the fight takes longer, I'm focused on keeping aggro, my rotation, avoiding AOE's without moving mobs too much and staying alive.

But you're suddenly very focused on not doing any of that if more mobs join the fight?
I'm glad we're on different data centers.
Remember that every time you throw a fit to feed your ego, you're not taking it out on just the player who pulled more mobs, you're intentionally wiping the whole party. You're intentionally ruining the experience of three players.

[TBerry]

No, I'm saying it doesn't matter. If you die you die.



But you're suddenly very focused on not doing any of that if more mobs join the fight?
I'm glad we're on different data centers.
Remember that every time you throw a fit to feed your ego, you're not taking it out on just the player who pulled more mobs, you're intentionally wiping the whole party. You're intentionally ruining the experience of three players.

You essentially shift blame because for people not playing how you want.
Pot, meet kettle.

[loosie]

You essentially shift blame because for people not playing how you want.
Pot, meet kettle.

If you playing how you want involves punishing the other players for simply not conforming to your own idea of what correct gameplay is, I'd rather not play with that person at all. And the ToS just so happens to agree with me.

[TBerry]

If you playing how you want involves punishing the other players for simply not conforming to your own idea of what correct gameplay is, I'd rather not play with that person at all. And the ToS just so happens to agree with me.

Others running ahead and pulling without consent is not the correct way either.
99% of dungeons I played in as a DPS usually let the tanks pull, and 99% of dungeons I tanked in wait for me to pull. Only exceptions are if the tank dies or one person is still alive, then we go and help that person and then wait for the tank.
In fact if you are really a GNB I can accuse you of being lazy and not doing your job. Letting others bring mobs to you is some weird power trip you have.

[AnotherHighlander]

Others running ahead and pulling without consent is not the correct way either.
99% of dungeons I played in as a DPS usually let the tanks pull, and 99% of dungeons I tanked in wait for me to pull. Only exceptions are if the tank dies or one person is still alive, then we go and help that person and then wait for the tank.
In fact if you are really a GNB I can accuse you of being lazy and not doing your job. Letting others bring mobs to you is some weird power trip you have.

It's faster and optimal to let the DPS pull ahead of you because they have Arm's Length, have an entire extra HP bar, and they move faster than you.

Tank ego is really a thing huh?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

It's faster and optimal to let the DPS pull ahead of you because they have Arm's Length, have an entire extra HP bar, and they move faster than you.

Tank ego is really a thing huh?

Dang dude, did they ban a bunch of your gathering bots? So many new accounts in the last 2 few weeks.

[Malthir]

If you playing how you want involves punishing the other players for simply not conforming to your own idea of what correct gameplay is, I'd rather not play with that person at all. And the ToS just so happens to agree with me.

Again we had this on the other thread, ToS can be used by either side in this argument. The fact that pulling IS the tanks job is true in the game, based on the hall of novice. Therefor as a DPS intentionally over pulling could also be considered a breach of ToS, the whole ToS argument is stupid.

[Malthir]

No, I'm saying it doesn't matter. If you die you die.



But you're suddenly very focused on not doing any of that if more mobs join the fight?
I'm glad we're on different data centers.
Remember that every time you throw a fit to feed your ego, you're not taking it out on just the player who pulled more mobs, you're intentionally wiping the whole party. You're intentionally ruining the experience of three players.

When have I ever said wipe the party, if you pull you deal with it until I'm ready to aka you pull you tank.
Your whole argument could be used against you.
"Remember that everytime you throw a fit to feed your ego." So like DPS wanting to do big damage against lots of mobs and have big pulls.
"You're running the experience of three players." Well if you as a DPS wipe the party cause your impatient and pulled additional mobs that the Tank/healer weren't ready for so didn't have the resources to manage and the group wipes, then you've just ruined the experience for three people
Your argument is severely flawed.

[loosie]

Your argument is severely flawed.

You seem to be missing the key word here, "intentionally".
If I'm playing DPS and the tank refuses to pick up the group the healer pulled with a dot, I die. Now you've intentionally punished me for something I didn't even have control over because I'm playing the game normally and actually hitting mobs the way I'm supposed to.
The end goal of a dungeon run is to kill all the enemies between point A and B. If the DPS is doing that, it's not an ego thing, it's just doing the thing expected of you.
If your "until I'm ready" is your GCD cycling to allow you to hit the AoE button again, I can accept that. Yes, when you enter DF there's an unwritten social contract for all four players to have mutual respect for one another, but if you decide to let a player die that you could have saved you break it yourself.
You're making the run far worse than it reasonably could have been, and for what gain?