You pull you tank question.

[Nestama]

It you want to pull, play tank.

You pull you tank! /no question.

Okay but then like... why did the tank queue at all then? If they're not tanking, then they should leave. DPS will still be DPSing if they pull and Healers will heal when necessary if they pull. A tank not tanking should leave as they're not doing what they queued for.

[Malthir]

Okay but then like... why did the tank queue at all then? If they're not tanking, then they should leave. DPS will still be DPSing if they pull and Healers will heal when necessary if they pull. A tank not tanking should leave as they're not doing what they queued for.

I put this in the other thread discussing this but I'll put it here for you too. Dps generally don't pay attention to the group as a whole. I've tanked since ARR. In the current state of the game I start with wall to wall, if the group is struggling as in I'm having to pop living dead because the healer forgot he was a healer, from then on it's small pulls for this group I can't trust them to keep my ass alive. If you're not the person getting hit, you're not the person who gets to decide how many people get to hit.

You're violating two different rules of the ToS doing that. Lethargic Play and MPK. One day it'll be a report too many.

One could argue the DPS are violating terms by pulling. Disruptive play.

[loosie]

One could argue the DPS are violating terms by pulling. Disruptive play.

If it's explicitly the tank's job to pull but isn't pulling, isn't that being disruptive?

[Malthir]

If it's explicitly the tank's job to pull but isn't pulling, isn't that being disruptive?

But we're not talking the tank isn't pulling, what is being said is the tank isn't pulling at the speed you would like. That's like reporting DPS because they aren't killing things fast enough or in the order you like. While I agree it's generally better to wall to wall pull, that decision lies with the person who has to deal with all the mobs not the person who doesn't have to care and just wants to see a certain colour next to their name on a certain website that should not be named. So yeah unless you speak to the tank before hand it's toxic to just pull more mobs over and expect the tank to take them off you. You pull it, well then you're now responsible for the damage those mobs do to you this fight, enjoy.

[loosie]

But we're not talking the tank isn't pulling, what is being said is the tank isn't pulling at the speed you would like. That's like reporting DPS because they aren't killing things fast enough or in the order you like. While I agree it's generally better to wall to wall pull, that decision lies with the person who has to deal with all the mobs not the person who doesn't have to care and just wants to see a certain colour next to their name on a certain website that should not be named. So yeah unless you speak to the tank before hand it's toxic to just pull more mobs over and expect the tank to take them off you. You pull it, well then you're now responsible for the damage those mobs do to you this fight, enjoy.

Nobody's parsing story dungeons my dude.
The thing is, if you're not tanking, you're not playing the game. It's that simple. When you go into a dungeon, you're expected to cooperate and play the game and there's nothing saying that pulling and killing mobs isn't being cooperative, as it's working towards the end goal.
It's only your decision to wall-to-wall or not as is dependent on your own ability. If you can't handle it, that's perfectly fine and while the group will suffer from a lack of skill, the blame won't be on bad behavior. If you intentionally stop playing to ruin the experience of other players in the group, that's very poor form and rightfully bannable. If you try your best and the mobs are dead, the only negative impact a non-tank pulling I can imagine has is to your ego.

If we're going to talk gameplay, in reality all you actually have to do to be an effective tank is stand still and mash your AoE combo until everything is dead while the rest of the party gathers mobs. You're not unable to do that, and the only reason you choose to stop tanking is because you feel slighted, which there is absolutely no reason to.

[Malthir]

If we're going to talk gameplay, in reality all you actually have to do to be an effective tank is stand still and mash your AoE combo until everything is dead while the rest of the party gathers mobs. You're not unable to do that, and the only reason you choose to stop tanking is because you feel slighted, which there is absolutely no reason to.

Tell me you've never played Drk without telling me, EVERY pull is a fight to survive, sure if you're a warrior who give a crap they don't even need a party to do content. However for Drks in particular, the larger the pull the higher the risk.

However even without Drks being in the state they are, I am doing my job I'm tanking the mobs I pulled. I would never say a tank should just AFK and wipe the whole party, that's petty. What I'm saying is, if I pulled 3 and I'm fighting 3, if you then decide you want more mobs, and you couldn't careless about the resources I've burnt so don't have the mit to deal with this right now, you're dealing with them till I'm ready to pick them up, if you die because of that, that's on you.

[Saraide]

Tell me you've never played Drk without telling me, EVERY pull is a fight to survive, sure if you're a warrior who give a crap they don't even need a party to do content. However for Drks in particular, the larger the pull the higher the risk.

However even without Drks being in the state they are, I am doing my job I'm tanking the mobs I pulled. I would never say a tank should just AFK and wipe the whole party, that's petty. What I'm saying is, if I pulled 3 and I'm fighting 3, if you then decide you want more mobs, and you couldn't careless about the resources I've burnt so don't have the mit to deal with this right now, you're dealing with them till I'm ready to pick them up, if you die because of that, that's on you.

The only problem you'll have as drk is if the group is doing low dps which it will when you intentionally let someone die. All you are doing is self sabotage lol

[freekyfreezer]

I doubt that attacking a mob is against the terms of service, otherwise virtually anyone who has ever cleared Sastasha would need to be banned from the game. The You tank, You pull mentality is the worst mindset in the game. It is so inexplicably stupid that I can't even find the right words for it. Like you are in a roulette and all you have to do is just press the same few buttons for 15 minutes straight and you get your reward. To burst into some narcissistic rage because the DPS knows the dungeon better is just insane. Usually I just try to get the tank kicked, but it doesn't work when there is loot (another flawless execution by SE)

[Priddy]

YPYT is lethargic gameplay and is reportable.

It is also a symptom of an insecure and bad player. When you encounter these people, simply report, kick, ignore, and move on.

[grinkdaboy]

most of the time im appreciative because i prefer doing w2w pulls but it is annoying if they aggro one and then run *away* from me like a headless chicken