Dark Knight Megathread

[Kaixern]

Maybe instead Dark Mind could be used prior to Dark missionary in order to boost it a bit when it comes to magical resist?
Like WAR does it with shake it off, boosting it with other defensive abilities

(While it could be nice for the "synergy" part of the abilities, it would not be good on the case of "making DRK similar to WAR", so take what i say with a grain/bucket of salt)

[GoatOfWar]

Maybe instead Dark Mind could be used prior to Dark missionary in order to boost it a bit when it comes to magical resist?
Like WAR does it with shake it off, boosting it with other defensive abilities

(While it could be nice for the "synergy" part of the abilities, it would not be good on the case of "making DRK similar to WAR", so take what i say with a grain/bucket of salt)

If all tanks will do the same dps, i think popping TBN should buff your next Dark mind or Dark Missionary.
Granting a 10% shield on the next use.

[Seraphiime]

what do ya'll think of giving DRK Soul Survivor and Mercy stroke back? DRK seems to have a sustain kit that needs a little more thought behind just popping "heal me now button" i think these would fit pretty well?

also why does Fray have shadow stride? feels bad when he dashes in and does no dmg

i like the idea of halving a lot of its cooldowns halved like Abyssal and salted earth (salted earth having an effect like abyssal drain would be nice, its only 50 potency regens at that point but still nice)

[Shurrikhan]

Some nitpicks:

(While it could be nice for the "synergy" part of the abilities, it would not be good on the case of "making DRK similar to WAR", so take what i say with a grain/bucket of salt)

I'd recommend always considering "synergy" from the opposite side of its coin: "codependence", which above a quickly-reached threshold tends to result in "bundling" and "inseparability".

If you don't want to have to use Dark Mind on CD, or only half as often, just to ensure that it can be popped before each Dark Missionary, don't allow it to significantly buff Dark Missionary in any situation where the lives or GCD heals spared by Dark Missionary will be noticeably greater than those that can be spared by Dark Mind.

Tl;dr: You can do that, but it requires a tight control on the "synergy"'s relative power in content for it not to worsen the experience, especially if the change gets at all balanced around.

what do ya'll think of giving DRK Soul Survivor and Mercy stroke back?

I think it'd be unappealing bloat.

DRK seems to have a sustain kit that needs a little more thought behind just popping "heal me now button"

Fair enough, but Soul Survivor wasn't far from that, as it would still heal after its duration ended regardless of enemy death and Mercy Stroke was a shot in the dark whose accelerated access required party coordination rather than being something actually even remotely within your control.

Some other options may work, but not these two. Even passive healing-on-kill and/or greater healing from heal-on-attack skills against critical (below 20% HP) enemies would be preferable, I suspect, as you'd still have a bit more flavor and/or reason for CD-holding (added complexity) without added bloat.

[KizuBriko]

Oblation would be cool if it provided a 400potency cure when activated and restored 1000mp when the buff falls off (not overriden).

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Oblation would be cool if it provided a 400potency cure when activated and restored 1000mp when the buff falls off (not overriden).

400 potency cure on expiration sounds sweeter tbh.

Also no MP gains for using defensives unless we overhaul all tanks where using defensives directly leads to more dps (Vengeance/Damnation is a fringe case).

[KizuBriko]

400 potency cure on expiration sounds sweeter tbh.

Also no MP gains for using defensives unless we overhaul all tanks where using defensives directly leads to more dps (Vengeance/Damnation is a fringe case).

Drk uses mp for defense and offense...

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Drk uses mp for defense and offense...

The MP spent on TBN is fully reimbursed upon breaking a shield, making the spending of MP not a damage loss. This makes MP primarily an offensive resource with TBN using MP as a temporary cost and neutral return.

Making defensive tools that generate offensive resources will lead to defensive tools being dumped for damage and rotation. HW Warrior getting wrath/abandon stacks from Vengeance and Stormblood Paladin trying to eat unnecessary damage with Sheltron to proc more shield swipes are both examples of this.

On the flipside, defensive effects that cost damage like Inner Beast being weaker than Fell Cleave and Dark Arts: Dark Mind have both been removed and baked elsewhere in the kit because of how little use they saw because of dps-favoured gameplay.

So Oblation granting MP on use will only lead to Oblation being used for damage, not for optimizing defense.

[Derio]

Honestly in raids and 8 man content DRK is fine. But dungeons in this expansion in particular the sustain or lack of it is apparent, especially if you have really bad dps. Then there is Dark Mind which in EX1 most busters are magical so that is great but when we look at dungeons and look into the future toward criterion dungeons DRK will be the only tank with a defensive that serves no purpose in difficult content.

Dark mind also becomes more apparently a problem in savage fights where all the tank busters are physical damage.

[Conando]

I feel like it's a simple fix to change Dark Mind to also mitigate physical damage, maybe a smaller amount like how Camouflage works due to the parry chance. So 10% as a failsafe.