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    Quote Originally Posted by CerusSerenade View Post
    When did I do that?

    I fear your reading comprehension may be insufficient, as I applied that to a singular argument someone made, not to everyone who disliked Wuk Lamat as a whole. Re-read my post.
    I have to ask, can you post or say something without degrading one another and making you yourself look superior? Like, seriously, "Illiterate"? "Insufficient"? I do understand that you want to sound intellectual and reasonable, but there are ways in doing so without degrading others.
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    Player CerusSerenade's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiceNox View Post
    I have to ask, can you post or say something without degrading one another and making you yourself look superior? Like, seriously, "Illiterate"? "Insufficient"? I do understand that you want to sound intellectual and reasonable, but there are ways in doing so without degrading others.
    People respond better to emotion than raw facts and statistics. Embarrassing them so they focus and pay attention is the best way to make sure they remember and understand what's being told to them.

    Would I like to just give information out? Sure, but people insist on being dishonest, not really an effective option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiceNox View Post
    I have to ask, can you post or say something without degrading one another and making you yourself look superior? Like, seriously, "Illiterate"? "Insufficient"? I do understand that you want to sound intellectual and reasonable, but there are ways in doing so without degrading others.
    To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Wuk Lamat. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of tacos most of the jokes will go over a typical player's head. There's also Wuk's optimistic outlook, which is deftly woven into her characterisation- her personal philosophy draws heavily from A Trekkie's Tale literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Wuk Lamat truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Wuk's existential catchphrase "I think I'm gonna be sick," which itself is a cryptic reference to Hiro Mashima's Fairy Tail. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Yoshi P's genius wit unfolds itself on their computer monitors. What fools.. how I pity them.

    And yes, by the way, i DO have a Wuk Lamat tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid
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    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE
    Healers have been neglected for 3 expansions now and this needs to be rectified with the following:
    1. An engaging DPS kit beyond a nuke and DoT.
    2. Increased incoming damage so we have more to heal.
    3. Distinctive playstyles amongst the healers.
    4. Some nerfs to non-healer heals, we shouldn't be replaceable.

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    I've already gathered a lot of evidence in the Voice thread about why Wuk's voice is so lacking. People aren't transphobic for not liking her, we've criticized her acting because she can't scream in the vocal range she uses for Wuk Lamat and the evidence is in the below tweet.



    The Latin American, Hispanic, side don't like her because her accent is a terrible representation for them. For a prominent character MC lead for FFXIV, it's shameful that they go what ended up as a fake accent that breaks into an American one during voice dialogues. She herself agrees, if she can't fulfill the requirement for the role then it means she's not fit for the role.



    If you're thinking it's because the VA is trans, it's not and highly likely that the VA is terrible person for attacking another VA, or in general all white and cis VAs nonstop, on twitter. In her own words, it can't be hate-targeting and you have to accept that.





    In terms of writing, everyone has already said what was bad with Wuk Lamat. The character is written like as if someone saw clips of Naruto. She lacks what makes Naruto lovable, like the underdog trope where everyone hated him, and he was a total loser who had to work hard to earn his respect from his own village which he got after the Pain Arc. Wuk barely grows and just talks about friendship and tradition, and then instead of saving Zoraal Ja she aims to kill him. Naruto reached out his hand to Sasuke, and brought his first friend, who he saw as a brother because Naruto didn't grow up with a family, back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ViaDesperare View Post











    jesus christ and this has single-handedly convinced me to switch to the JP dub
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seirikka View Post
    jesus christ and this has single-handedly convinced me to switch to the JP dub
    That's not all, she is outright deflecting any form of criticism. Her twitter bubble loves her, so what gives. Who needs other opinions if you get only positive feedback and shut out all the other voices, even when your work was clearly subpar. /shrug


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    Me too, Erenville, me too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniise View Post
    That's not all, she is outright deflecting any form of criticism. Her twitter bubble loves her, so what gives. Who needs other opinions if you get only positive feedback and shut out all the other voices, even when your work was clearly subpar. /shrug


    Huh.....I know that being positive is good and all, but maybe she should at least take a little bit of criticism or be a little bit humble or something. Maybe it's because of my culture that tends to see something like this in negative light, but good for her, I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniise View Post
    That's not all, she is outright deflecting any form of criticism. Her twitter bubble loves her, so what gives. Who needs other opinions if you get only positive feedback and shut out all the other voices, even when your work was clearly subpar. /shrug


    Not going to lie, I can't wait until Wuk gets Lysed and then the twitter VA can fade back into obscurity she came from. Twitter makes people completely delusional. She truly believes the entirety of a Japanese MMORPG revolves around her irrelevant persona. When a good majority of the player base do not use English voice acting and have literally no idea who she even is.
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    Last edited by BakoolJaJa; 07-09-2024 at 10:52 PM.

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    Player Isala's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by BakoolJaJa View Post
    Not going to lie, I can't wait until Weak Lmao gets Lysed and then the twitter VA can fade back into obscurity she came from. Twitter makes people completely delusional. She truly believes the entirety of a Japanese MMORPG revolves around her irrelevant persona. When a good majority of the player base do not use English voice acting and have literally no idea who she even is.
    I wish I could go back to a time where I didn't know that the VA for Wuk Lyse was just as intolerable as the character and her voice acting. Take me back to Endwalker, please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniise View Post
    That's not all, she is outright deflecting any form of criticism. Her twitter bubble loves her, so what gives. Who needs other opinions if you get only positive feedback and shut out all the other voices, even when your work was clearly subpar. /shrug


    So many people there sucking the v/a's ass. Mostly for social brownie points I imagine.

    They did a bad job, regardless of who they are.
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