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    N'oah Vestalia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arzalis View Post
    This is like saying "Everyone will die eventually, so murder is fine."

    I do agree it was unsustainable, but it wasn't the individual people who were going around finding people to hunt down and live off of. They actually didn't do anything wrong. You can stop the system itself without directly ending the existence of everyone currently inside it. Maybe that leads to them eventually dying off, maybe another solution can be found. It doesn't matter now because we literally shut the door permanently.

    I don't believe it's a hard concept to understand stopping Sphene from harming other worlds, but letting the Endless exist as they are. They're literally harmless without Sphene and/or the dimensional fusion device.
    they ARE DEAD, they ARE ZOMBIES, they LIVED HIS LIVES AND DIED BY AGE, they used countless lives already to live to the fullest until they die of age, endless are not innocent, they are a product of not wanting them let go once their lives reached a natural ending
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    Antony Gabbiani
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurumis View Post
    they ARE DEAD, they ARE ZOMBIES, they LIVED HIS LIVES AND DIED BY AGE, they used countless lives already to live to the fullest until they die of age, endless are not innocent, they are a product of not wanting them let go once their lives reached a natural ending
    While I agree with your position, I do want to play devil's advocate a little and question if it was indeed them not wanting to let go

    Given what we knew about Namika prior to her death, I didn't get the impression that she willingly decided to become an endless, and that Sphere made that decision on their behalf as part of her coding to protect and serve all her people, who she considered Namika to be one of.

    So I also started to view this as. a mercy. How many of the endless lived full, happy lives, and made peace with their end that were afterwards forced to continue to live for eternity?
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    Aure Rainn
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    Quote Originally Posted by wereotter View Post
    While I agree with your position, I do want to play devil's advocate a little and question if it was indeed them not wanting to let go

    Given what we knew about Namika prior to her death, I didn't get the impression that she willingly decided to become an endless, and that Sphere made that decision on their behalf as part of her coding to protect and serve all her people, who she considered Namika to be one of.

    So I also started to view this as. a mercy. How many of the endless lived full, happy lives, and made peace with their end that were afterwards forced to continue to live for eternity?
    Sphene was perfectly fine and accepting of people who did not want to wear the regulator, there is no indication Namikka was against wearing it and everyone was aware of what it did and was doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aulainn View Post
    Sphene was perfectly fine and accepting of people who did not want to wear the regulator, there is no indication Namikka was against wearing it and everyone was aware of what it did and was doing.
    Agreeing to wearing the regulator to save yourself from accidental death, though, doesn't mean you also agreed to becoming an eternal after you passed away from natural causes. It's entirely possible that someone might say they'd like that extra assurance that if they died in the course of their job that they'd still be enabled to come home at night to their family, but who didn't want to persist after their natural end.

    This is an area where the story seems to be lacking as we don't know what level of decision making the people were given in their own afterlife.
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