The forum has been too much negativities lately

[Malthir]

yes there is a difference between if something is good or bad and if its successful or not, my point being any standard that has been shown has also been shown to be completely opinion based.

you can say you have to do this specific thing for it to be good but if people don't like it how is it good? what makes it good?
you can also do the opposite and say this is a bad thing to do in writing but people are liking it then how is it bad? what makes it bad?

every answer to these end up just being an opinion.

Again I say to you it's not opinion, the characters not progressing between emotional states and instantly switching behaviours is not opinion, it's what they do.

Ok let me give you a parallel. A car tyre can hold 200psi before it explodes. Tyres companies put a tyre pressure on the sidewall of the tyre, the average is around 35psi. The manufactures base that off machine tests and track tests. Since all roadways are very different from tracks in both design and makeup, wear and tear etc. Would you say the manufacturers label is subjective and just their opinion?

You seem to have an issue understanding objectivity and subjectivity. I've said it before guess I'll say it again. Saying you dislike how Wuk talks, even saying you dislike her dialogue is subjective. Saying you dislike the lack of growth and then giving examples of the lack of growth, is objective. Judging can be both Subjective and objective, depending on the critique. Take a dance performance, someone saying they dislike the tempo chosen for the dance, and the style chosen is subjective. Saying the dancer was slow on the first beat for the dance, is objective criticism.

[Daralii]

Yes, there is a problem with the forums when legit 80% of the open topics are people complaining.

Edit: And I don't think Dawntrail is as bad as people say it is. It's only here on the forums (or maybe on Twitter, but I don't use Twitter) where people are complaining this much. I am apart of multiple FFXIV Discord servers, and I never ever hear as much negativity about the expac as I see here on the forums. In addition, most people I speak to in the actual game seem to like the expac.

Twitter's a mix, but SE's accounts are blocking people that tag them with negative posts. Reddit, user reviews, the official forums, and imageboards(which are more mainstream in Japan) are pretty overwhelmingly condemning it across multiple languages.

[Musashidon]

Again I say to you it's not opinion, the characters not progressing between emotional states and instantly switching behaviours is not opinion, it's what they do.

Ok let me give you a parallel. A car tyre can hold 200psi before it explodes. Tyres companies put a tyre pressure on the sidewall of the tyre, the average is around 35psi. The manufactures base that off machine tests and track tests. Since all roadways are very different from tracks in both design and makeup, wear and tear etc. Would you say the manufacturers label is subjective and just their opinion?

what? the label is just so that you can't sue them when something unexpected does happen.

funny you keep saying they just switch personalities but i don't see it. guess once again we have different opinions.

[Enjuden]

oh easy someone made it enjoyed making and loved that they made it.

A child drew a flower with their own poop on the wall and found it funny. Therefore it is equal to the Mona Lisa since the child enjoyed it.

This is your entire argument.

[Xylira]

yes there is a difference between if something is good or bad and if its successful or not, my point being any standard that has been shown has also been shown to be completely opinion based.

you can say you have to do this specific thing for it to be good but if people don't like it how is it good? what makes it good?
you can also do the opposite and say this is a bad thing to do in writing but people are liking it then how is it bad? what makes it bad?

every answer to these end up just being an opinion.

Sorry, no you're still wrong.

If a story has glaringly bad plot holes, plot contrivances, inconsistent themes, and characters who behave in nonsensical or even contradictory ways to how they've been previously written, then it's an objectively bad story. Dawntrail is guilty of all of these.

[Musashidon]

Sorry, no you're still wrong.

If a story has glaringly bad plot holes, plot contrivances, inconsistent themes, and characters who behave in nonsensical or even contradictory ways to how they've been previously written, then it's an objectively bad story. Dawntrail is guilty of all of these.

you can repeat yourself time and time again but it will never make me wrong. objective is fact base and you keep bring up your personal opinions.

[Malthir]

what? the label is just so that you can't sue them when something unexpected does happen.

funny you keep saying they just switch personalities but i don't see it. guess once again we have different opinions.

I gave you a literal example of it occurring with Bak. He has one dialogue and goes from narcissist sociopath who despises those who are weaker than him, to a misunderstood good guy deep down willing to sacrifice for those weaker than him. In a single dialogue. He doesn't progress from one state to the next he just switches between 2 different state of being, that's not growth.

[Musashidon]

I gave you a literal example of it occurring with Bak. He has one dialogue and goes from narcissist sociopath who despises those who are weaker than him, to a misunderstood good guy deep down willing to sacrifice for those weaker than him. In a single dialogue. He doesn't progress from one state to the next he just switches between 2 different state of being, that's not growth.

we also saw exactly why he was the way he was and why he wouldnt let it go. we also saw as wuk lamat kept foiling his plans he got less and less in the ways of weaker races are beneath him it especially hit when wuk lamat beat him in a fight. to say he changed in one scene throws out the whole point of him failing every attempt be it a evil scheme or straight brute force.

I never said you were wrong for liking an objectively poorly written story. You liking the story doesn't make it any less logically inconsistent though, and whether a story is logically consistent is something that can be objectively observed.

there is nothing objectively bad about the story though and you keep bringing your opinion as a fact.

[Xylira]

you can repeat yourself time and time again but it will never make me wrong. objective is fact base and you keep bring up your personal opinions.

I never said you were wrong for liking an objectively poorly written story. You liking the story doesn't make it any less logically inconsistent though, and whether a story is logically consistent is something that can be objectively observed.

[Brian25]

Lol you lots just prove my point: overreacting. Chill up, go outside, touch the grass. There is no need for so much emotional reaction.

You seem to be overreacting to people having opinions on the content. Chill up, go outside, touch the grass. There is no need for so much emotional reaction.