So is there anything good about Dawntrail at all?

[EdwinChucklenuts]

People can keep trying to spread the lies of "You expected it to be bad, so of course you thought it was bad!" like some defense of the absolutely depressing quality of this expansion, but it's not taking. The vast majority of us were expecting lower quality, sure, as there was no way this was going to be Endwalker tier. But we adjusted our expections to that. And we were still disappointed. This expansion was SO bad that it literally became that "Our expectations for you were low, but holy f-" meme.

What's so bad about it for you other than the MSQ?

[Sorimachi87]

This forum has been pushed down into a negative hellhole with people opening multiple negative threads to spread how shit everything is.
My advice in this case. Make your own picture and decide on your own.

Difficulty has increased dramatically in comparison to previous expansions. First level 90 has had teeth to a certain degree but pales massively to the first level 100.
Then again its just my opinion.

I love the expansion so far and i am excited where they decide to push with the MSQ and the graphics updates especially. DX12 wont happen according to yoshi-p. But big fan of the weather and particle effects so far.
Please keep it coming.

And yes. I don't disregard negative comments. They have their right to be there but opening multiple threads about issues, i dont know about that really.

[Bunyon]

There are more humourous scenes than the forum will let you think.
Also

A callback to Alphinauds firewood gathering skills, which got a good chuckle out of me.

They are few and far in between.

Absolute waste to not have used the rivalry between scions to have more silly arguments and jabs between them. Thancred blocks one path in a dungeon and as far as I remember that was the extent of it. Utter lack of banter and the charm of the past two expansions.

[Hycinthus]

Dude, what are you doing here? Go play! I've been trashing on the MSQ for days now but that shouldn't affect your experience! Dawntrail still has plenty of good going for it.

The dungeons and boss fights are huge improvements over Endwalker and actually challenge you to pay attention and stay engaged. I had an awesome time doing the first ex trial today with friends! The new music, for the most part, is still really good. The environments are absolutely the most beautiful they've ever been. You can tell they were made with the new lighting in mind. Even the story, for as much crap as I give it, had a few moments I genuinely enjoyed. And now I get to have fun tearing its writing apart with other nerds!

Don't let us color your experience for you! Go play the expansion, then come back and tell me why I'm wrong and that Wuk Lamat is the greatest thing since sliced bread, or join us in the Wuk Lamat Deserves a Shallow Grave camp! Try to enjoy yourself!

It was just disheartening to see the complaints run the gamut (from "disaster" MSQ, to "terrible" voice-acting, to "eye-straining" graphics, to "odd choice" jazzy music, to "boring" role quests, to "insufferable" character, to "squandered" zone design, to "wasted" 2 dye potential). That almost touches all of Dawntrail's promotional material.

But, no, you are right -- it's my fault entirely. Great to hear that there are still great things to look forward to based on all that was shared here.

I also have a high tolerance for annoying characters, so let me be the judge of that for my own experience.

[Aurumis]

It was just disheartening to see the complaints run the gamut (from "disaster" MSQ, to "terrible" voice-acting, to "eye-straining" graphics, to "odd choice" jazzy music, to "boring" role quests, to "insufferable" character, to "squandered" zone design, to "wasted" 2 dye potential). That almost touches all of Dawntrail's promotional material.

But, no, you are right -- it's my fault entirely. Great to hear that there are still great things to look forward to based on all that was shared here.

I also have a high tolerance for annoying characters, so let me be the judge of that for my own experience.

You shouldn't have to have tolerance for annoying characters you know. That's not something positive.

[TBerry]

You shouldn't have to have tolerance for annoying characters you know. That's not something positive.

Some people just have higher tolerance and more patience.

[Verathel]

Dungeons are great, music is great, zones are beautiful if a bit generic especially the first two...The first trial has been great.

I still see sharp writing here and there while doing the MSQ but the wild differences in the quality has been jarring. It's not consistent by a mile.

[GrizzlyTank]

I got a new hat!

[Aurumis]

Some people just have higher tolerance and more patience.

Yeah but that doesn't excuse bad writting of the characters or bad characters in general like we know who.

[Arzalis]

The zones are visually appealing, the music has some great tracks, the graphics upgrade is nice even if a bit more subtle than some people wanted. The story had some great moments, even if it was very flawed overall.

Shaaloani was great. Easily my favorite zone of the entire expansion.