Wuk Lamat & DT Story are the best for the FFXIV-Story

[HemlockEvergreen]

No.

I'm only at level 95. So far everything is as I described. And I don't think anything will change. Even if there are indications of something different. I don't think it's anything on the level of ShB or EW. It's the beginning of a new arc.

I'm just imagining this dude's shocked pikachu faced when he gets to the fifth zone.

[Boblawblah]

I really liked Wuk Lamat. After all the depressing things that have happened to our character the last two expansions, her bubbly personality was a refreshing change. Much as I like the scions, they all feel like colleagues rather than friends (other than Estinien). Wuk Lamat feels like a buddy for our WoL and I enjoyed it.

As for the story...


The Warrior of Light's time is over. We're Azem now. We're carrying out the mandate Emet-Selch left us. And that includes helping people. Azem wasn't the convocation's blunt weapon like the Warrior of Light has been for 10 years. If we had done everything for Wuk Lamat, people would be still be bitching. Instead we see her get agency throughout the story. We stand back and watch our friend succeed.

Honestly, I feel a bit like Gandalf now.

I...like this thought actually. Azem wasn't just a weapon. I think what threw me in the second half of the expansion was the expectation that Wuk would be taking a beat seat in favour of the greater mystery of the golden city. When she took over again, I got frustrated. Thanks for the perspective, that helps a lot actually. I think I might redo the last zone or two with that mindset.

[GartredZW]

...You know that we are cannonically the strongest warrior in all Hydaelyn, right? I mean, the whole point of Zenos bringing over the Endsinger to the Star was so we killed the strongest being known and thus we took its place as strongest being, so Zenos could have a good fight.

Well thanks to Dynamis, we can grow to be universal levels of strong when it comes to protecting everyone and everything we love, then dropping down to manageable levels of power when facing Gulool Ja Ja for example.
I'm a bit lukewarm on the concept, but understand that it was at least somewhat necessary to not keep spectacle creeping every expansion.

[SirShady]

I think some of these gamers are impatient and haven't read a book in awhile to remember how a storybook works.

Yeah, storybook is right. Most of us are adults who don't read literature intended for children. Most of us have grown past that and prefer writing with substance. Glad you enjoyed it though!

[OdinelStarrei]

I really liked Wuk Lamat. After all the depressing things that have happened to our character the last two expansions, her bubbly personality was a refreshing change. Much as I like the scions, they all feel like colleagues rather than friends (other than Estinien). Wuk Lamat feels like a buddy for our WoL and I enjoyed it.

As for the story...


The Warrior of Light's time is over. We're Azem now. We're carrying out the mandate Emet-Selch left us. And that includes helping people. Azem wasn't the convocation's blunt weapon like the Warrior of Light has been for 10 years. If we had done everything for Wuk Lamat, people would be still be bitching. Instead we see her get agency throughout the story. We stand back and watch our friend succeed.

Honestly, I feel a bit like Gandalf now.

I cannot agree with this. When given the choice to participate in the Ancient Civil War, on the Venat or the Convocation side, Azem deliberately did not choose a side and abandoned the seat, because when making a choice of the "lesser evil", Azem would say "The question itself is flawed. I'm not participating, I am finding a different way." Which is probably what the "Key" is. We are a disgrace to the seat, and I know the perspective I'm talking about is one that is known, because of the 6.1 Omega quest. You are given the choice with the Watcher to say, Emet was right (I disagree), Venat was right (I disagree), Hermes was right (You're a lunatic if you say he was right), or NO ONE was right, which I think is the choice Azem picked, and the one I think makes the most thematic sense for our character as the inheritor of their crystal, that when it comes to situations that are incredibly dubious like this, a new path needs to be paved rather than choosing the predetermined options. Something something indolence, ones that we can conceivably save etc etc

How am I anything but a Weapon of Light still? I didn't get to explore with Estinien and fix problems along the way. The closest thing I got to that was with Erenville, until Wuk Lamat shows up again and centralizes the entire plot on her again. I wasn't allowed to do anything but turn the terminals off.

Because of the actions of the writer, both in terms of the circumstances of the Endless and what we're forced to do, we're a disgrace to Azem's legacy. Instead of having the Endless obviously be non-sentient in a Groundhog's Day infinite repeating hellscape, like true automatons with zero agency, we spend hours getting to know them and see them practice their agency, much like we get to know the dynamis beings in Ultima Thule. Killing them at that point would've been seen as a mercy. Rather than have the clearly sentient citizenry appeal to Queen Sphene herself, and tell her this isn't something that they want at the cost of the other shards, and I don't know, turn themselves off, it's us who make the unilateral choice for the entire populace. Maybe that seemingly contradictory solution, the self-sacrifice of the Endless in spite of, or perhaps even because of the love of their Queen(not willing to see her become an omnicidal war criminal), would debuff Sphene, shaking her resolve at last. Maybe that's something that could've been the final phase of the fight instead of Wuk Lamat soloing her on her special little platform, out DPSing the entire party and ignoring mechanics while still screaming about friendship instead of practical solutions.

I played Nier. I was ALWAYS going to be sympathetic to a Replicant's or an Android's plight.

We're something alright, but we are not Azem.
Azem would have never let this happen.

[GartredZW]

I cannot agree with this. When given the choice to participate in the Ancient Civil War, on the Venat or the Convocation side, Azem deliberately did not choose a side and abandoned the seat, because when making a choice of the "lesser evil", Azem would say "The question itself is flawed. I'm not participating, I am finding a different way." Which is probably what the "Key" is. We are a disgrace to the seat, and I know the perspective I'm talking about is one that is known, because of the 6.1 Omega quest. You are given the choice with the Watcher to say, Emet was right (I disagree), Venat was right (I disagree), Hermes was right (You're a lunatic if you say he was right), or NO ONE was right, which I think is the choice Azem picked, and the one I think makes the most thematic sense for our character as the inheritor of their crystal, that when it comes to situations that are incredibly dubious like this, a new path needs to be paved rather than choosing the predetermined options. Something something indolence, ones that we can conceivably save etc etc

We still don't know why Azem did what he did. For all we know (and I think this is the most likely) he agreed with Venat, and needed to be sundered so his successor could have a chance at fixing the final days.

[Icycrits]

Why someone would willingly choose to come to the forums to give their opinion on an expansion's story when they are halfway through said expansion is truly mind-boggling. No one can tell you otherwise because they would be spoiling you and are trying to be polite. This would be like watching the first three seasons of Game of Thrones then telling people who hated Season 8 that they are wrong. It's just insanity.

[Ryaduera]

Oh I swear the story gets worse the more you think about it, I didn't consider this until now...

Why are there bandits in the wild west town?

...Because it's a wild west town... They just.. spawn in naturally I guess.

My god it's all just tropes, isn't it?

The tropes themselves aren't what's failing. Every story is just tropes, really, that's even how they came to be. Tropes just fall apart when that's the only layer you have, and when tropes fall apart we become hyper aware of them. Xenos is even our Lancer trope.

And when tropes fall apart you start to question other things because you no longer have anything else to think about. Like which head on the 2 headed mamool controls the body? Why does it seem like both we see are controlled by the "warrior" heads and the secondary heads have no autonomy? And many other questions we'd otherwise have suspended out disbelief from. When tropes are only skin deep, we have nothing to believe in to suspend that disbelief. The story falls flat.

[Aerstzwyn]

The Warrior of Light's time is over. We're Azem now. We're carrying out the mandate Emet-Selch left us. And that includes helping people. Azem wasn't the convocation's blunt weapon like the Warrior of Light has been for 10 years. If we had done everything for Wuk Lamat, people would be still be bitching. Instead we see her get agency throughout the story. We stand back and watch our friend succeed.
Honestly, I feel a bit like Gandalf now.

That would've been so cool to see if they had actually competently written that and not just put Wuk Lamat front and center in every single cutscene, with her constantly chiming in and giving unqualified opinions or childish pep-talk. Even at the last trial she comes in, steals the spotlight, gives you HER buff and yaps until the boss is dead. What gives? Let me have my "this is too deadly for anyone but the WoL" moment.

[Rayne6665]

Some people says dt and wuk lamat sucks and its garbage like okay good for you to skip every cutscenes and not knowing whats going on xD for me personally in my opinion, i enjoyed it a whole lot. The story was fucking amazing it brought to the edge of my seat. I just wanna thank Yoshi-P and the devs for making my 7.0 an amazing journey