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    Quote Originally Posted by honest_psycho View Post
    I don't care about the exact mechanics or about how she defeated Bakool JaJa. I'm talking about that she defeated him AND half an army BY HERSELF. With us just standing besides not doing anything. This is not only plot armor, it lets us, the Warrior of light, look incompetent.
    "Let me handle it, they're small fry" => we don't intervene. Like, isn't it pretty much what she asked us to do?

    And let me get this straight, you don't care why she was able to defeat them, but you care that she defeated them and find it stupid because there's no justification... Because you don't care about it?
    There's a topic on this subforum about arguing in good faith, i suggest reading it.


    And why didn't Bakool Ja just kill here right there? No one could have proven it was him, his "smart head" should 100% have made that suggestion.
    The fact, that she wasn't killed, is plotarmor.
    Yeah, why didn't Bakool Ja Ja kill everybody in their sleep at the inn too, including the daughter of the current queen. Because he's not a cold blooded killer and isn't shown as one, anywhere? He doesn't see Wuk Lamat as even a real competition because she's sheltered. He's only thinking about killing us when he loses his temper, and the Mystic head calms him.
    The way he's portrayed in game doesn't match what you're saying.


    No, I wanted to know WHY he had that goal in the first place.
    We didn't get ANY kind of flashback in his childhood, or any interaction with his dad that would have warranted his anger.
    He's the miracle child of an almost legendary ruler who united a whold continent, put an end to a century long feud, locked away a mythical beast supposed to be the strongest being on the continent.
    He states his goal as wanting to unite the wholeworld under his banner.
    Multiple people states the circumstances of his birth and the fact he's the sole blood heir to the throne weighed heavy on him.
    He clearly wanted to prove he could match or even beat his father's prowess.


    Also, didn't Krile get a bit of inside of his "dark thoughts" in his introduction?
    Why didnt she tell WukLamat "hey, your brother has some dark thoughts, maybe you should try to know him better, like you try to know all the people in Tural, which is kinda the point of this whole fucking story"?
    You mean tell Wuk Lamat, the girl who told us she had to win the throne becuase that guy in particular couldn't be allowed to be the next king because he means to bring war to the whole world? She knows.
    This is literally why we're in Tural lol.


    He was underdeveloped on purpose so that WukLamat doesn't have to "know him better" and just kill him, cause its objecitvely the "good" thing to do for her as the Hero. Imagine if Emet-Selch didnt try to talk to us and just did what he planned to do anyways.
    This is a bad argument when, in the same patch, we had Bakuul Ja Ja who was set up as a bad guy, and had Wuk Lamat understand his motivation and accept him.
    The difference with Zoraal Ja is he had no real good reason except his own ambition, and doesn't mind killing Turali people, his own Alexandrian people, and his dad to prove he's better. Wuk Lamat considers that as a crossing a line, so did Guluul Ja Ja, and even Gulool Ja agrees that his father is bad and has to be stopped. He was shown as a bad king who neglected his subjects and diverted resources for his war effort instead of helping his citizens.


    I'd agree up until she was made Queen.
    But then she STILL got the majority of the lines. She was still around for Erenvilles and Kriles arc there she absolutely had to get some lines in for some reason.
    I truly wonder why Wuk Lamat, who felt a connection with Sphene and feels some kind of responsibility for the population in Solution 9, would want to confront her and try to change her mind before she commits mass murder.
    I think you've made clear that you don't like her, and anything she is shown saying or doing won't find any grace to your eyes. Even during the cutscene where Urianger met Moenbryda's father, we had Loporrits and Thancred talking. I don't see you pesting about that stupid mary sue Livingway who somehow has no flaws and perfect knowledge about space travel.



    Isn't it weird that most people, me included, liked ShB/EW, but don't like DT because of WukLamat?
    Why do you think that is?
    I think you overestimate how many people don't like the expansion, even more so because of a single character.
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    Last edited by Alenore; 07-05-2024 at 10:00 PM.